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[Dostoevsky]

Does anybody know how many Qers are in the incoming group? I can think of 2, but might be more.

(I mean more than just apologists, but real devotees of the Qult.)

[Eschar]

We need to get awareness of Q and Q being nonsense so well-known that anyone who supports them (like this rising star) becomes branded with an informal "warning: this person is not reality based, avoid like the plague, especially for elected positions" social sanction.

[Reelya]

Does anybody know how many Qers are in the incoming group? I can think of 2, but might be more.

(I mean more than just apologists, but real devotees of the Qult.)

The quick numbers (it's in what I'm listening to right now) is that 60 QAnons ran, 11 made it onto the ballot, and two ended up winning.

For true hell, we need a left-wing version of Q then you can get to the election booth and both choices are radicalized conspiracy nuts.

[TamerVirus]

The real Q-tip (heh) is not looking at Mike Flynn but at Ezra Cohen-Watnick, the man who is the supposed successor to “Q”. “E.” Yeah there’s an E now

[delphonso]

For true hell, we need a left-wing version of Q then you can get to the election booth and both choices are radicalized conspiracy nuts.

Goop drops.

[Reelya]

I just heard Lauren Boebert being interviewed by a Q person and she says "I hope it's real".

There's a thing about a worldwide satanic pedophile cannibal cabal trying to destroy humanity, and she hopes it's real? Either that, or she takes The Cabal for granted and hopes Q is really fighting them.

EDIT: however giving it a little thought, more likely she's just a bandwagon jumper and isn't really invested in the Q thing at all. She's selectively taking from QAnon whatever parts will work for her, so she goes on to say that Q is fighting the deep state that wants to stop Trump, which is playing both sides of the Q-fence.

I think the other successful candidate, Marjorie Taylor Greene is the actual true believer. She's been doing Q videos etc since early Q in 2017, and speaks about all the Q related stuff in clear terms.

[Random_Dragon]

“E.” Yeah there’s an E now

I'm sorry, I had to.

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[Dunamisdeos]

I think this is a much more complicated statement than you seem to think. 

Defining is life is a contested task, both philosophically and biologically rather than open and shut case, after a few millenia we're not even close yet.  (In fact the concept of life is likely incomplete and flawed, but I digress.) 

I bristle a bit at this, since my arguments for my position on human life have precisely zero to do with any sort of religious belief in a soul, or for that matter metaphysical reasoning whatsoever. Your assumptions on what I base my beliefs upon are a bit presumptuous. Regardless, I can't blame you for that assumption. That is exactly how a very large (and very vocal) subset of the population builds their view.

I'd rather not turn this into 10 pages of Duni's personal views (again) so I ain't gonna go into all the whats and whys of my own beliefs. But I absolutely agree that a subjective belief in the "spark of life" should not be the basis for a position on abortion, regardless of the source of that belief.

My apologies for making assumptions (and making you all bristly, yuk!). 

To be honest though you have said nothing about what constitutes the 'human life' in the (your) 'pro-life' position.  Which is one of the important points of contention in the abortion debate.  I certainly agree with you on how much easier it is for those who want to assert that life only begins with birth (not that it's my own position) and the criticism that 'spark of life' is a not a touchstone for orientation on abortion.

Thanks for saying so! But no really it's such a frustratingly common position that I can't blame people for seeing "Christian" and "Not-Pro-Choice" and assuming I belong to a certain camp.

It's not that I don't believe in the existence of a soul, mind you. I am a religious fellow in the end. But it's important not to define secular issues by religious frameworks alone. I basically believe that there's not a meaningful metric by which a pre-born infant can be differentiated from a born one in terms of the intrinsic value of a human life (yeah, that's a whole rabbit hole itself, I know). I also believe that if an abortion must be considered, then the woman involved must be allowed to make the final decision. Education is key to preventing high abortion rates.

I've gone on at length before on the subject, I'd just prefer not to hijack the thread is all.

Back to the Q'ture

My mother has friends who are involved in QAnon. She doesn't really question her friends and I'm routinely bringing the awful aspects of the group to her attention. I feel like she's shying away from it, which is breath of relief to me.

[Reelya]

Merely explain to her that Q came from 4Chan and 4Chan is a site full of child porn, pervy anime and shock images, home to nerds, perverts and trolls, and that when booted off 4Chan he merely moved to 8Chan, a clone of the first site but with less rules and even more child porn.

If Q was real he never would have posted there in the first place. It really doesn't need to be stated, but the guy supposedly fighting the pedos is actually keeping a kiddie porn friendly site afloat by posting there. For example recently on the podcast they were saying how on 8kun the big schism is about whether they should ban the loli porn board or not, with Jim Watkins wanting it gone, while his son Ron Watkins supports it remaining. The Watkins work closely with the Q poster.

[Dunamisdeos]

Bringing the whole Sandy Hook truther thing to her attention seems to have done the trick. IMHO one of the most vile things they've supported, but I'm biased. We lost my brother as a child.

She won't directly associate with them but doesn't really take the steps to find out if the things her friends are telling her are related to the same group or not. I don't think she understands the depth of what that whole mindset/cult/etc supports.

[Reelya]

As for real things, there's a thing called Bohemian Grove which is an elite club for many of the richest and most powerful men in the world to hang and get up to god knows what, no women allowed, invite only.

Notably, this whole thing doesn't feature in any of those right-wing conspiracy theories since it would be too inconvenient. So I guess Bohemian Grove is a cabal-free zone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

The Bohemian Club's all-male membership includes artists and musicians, as well as many prominent business leaders, government officials, former U.S. presidents, senior media executives, and people of power.

Yeah, these guys aren't part of the cabal, however Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey: totally Cabal. Almost all QAnons who think they've done the deep-dive on the structures of power almost certainly haven't even heard of Bohemian Grove, which should be a good indication of how close they've gotten to the real truth of who's running the world.

There's even a meme where they enact plays at Bohemian Grove including pretend human sacrifice to the devil. Yet, even still, no mention of this in any Q-related circles.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

For the record, there's lots of accounts about what goes on at Bohemian Grove. It amounts to a bunch of Republican politicians and their buddies getting blackout drunk, pissing on trees, generally acting like any group of frat boys in the country except with the depravity of age, and denying Jeb! a milkshake because it's too early to serve milkshakes.

[Reelya]

Oh I know there's plenty of material, my point is that none of the Q people have heard of it. Whoever is behind Q is selective in what they talk about, keep them ignorant and focused over the wrong "target".

They also never talk about things like pharma or big tobacco donations to politicians. They generally discount primary motives, such as money, in favor of other-worldly and inscrutable motives such as they worship Moloch and want to destroy society.*

Perhaps "follow the money", which is generally good advice if you want to understand a conspiracy, doesn't fit well with what the Q people are trying to push, so you never really hear them uttering that statement.

* EDIT: to give an idea of this logic, there's a researcher going by the nickname Travis View who is involved in the QAnonAnon podcast, and some Q people doxxed his real identity. Now, apparently they got confused because Travis works some normie job for a corporation, maybe in marketing or something, and to QAnon corporations are the good guys, so they're all like "i thought he was part of the deep state, what's he doing working for Free Enterprise? "Maybe he's a mercenary who doesn't care who he works for" / "he's undercover until he can destroy capitalism and usher in a globalist oligarchy". So to them "globalist oligarchy" and "capitalism" can't possibly overlap, because capitalism is the good guys and the satanic "globalists" want to destroy God-given capitalism. The co-host then commented that these people have literally no idea about how anything works. For example if they get blocked on Twitter they say things like "Jack Dorsey deleted my Twitter", because the corporation itself cannot be bad by definition, it's the globalist cabal infiltrator who is bad. It is weird, they talk about how private enterprise is all good and public ownership is all bad but then carry on whining about "their rights" on a private platform, despite anyone with any sense being aware they have no obligation to serve you as customer and are free to stipulate their own terms.

[Bumber]

I maintain that denying a child it's mother is more cruel than ceding from existence at a state of life none of us remembers.

Maybe none of us here, but there are alleged accounts of those that actually do. There are also memories from childhood (~1 year old) that you forget later.

[Bumber]

I'm listening to a podcast going into "journalist" Andy Ngo who covers antifa violence. After the incident where Andy was punched and he said it was an unprovoked attack by those nasty antifa people, leaked video turned up where Andy was at a planning meeting of Patriot Prayer where they were actively planning an attack on the bar where the antifa people were hanging out, and they were talking about how they (Patriots) had more weapons than the antifa geeks and how their boss was bringing more car loads of guys.

So he's at a literal fascist planning session where they're planning 1930s type Nazi brownshirt shit against the left but apparently this whole section of the story wasn't newsworthy to Andy, only the fact that their intended victims fought back made the story. [...]

This video?

Listening to the exchange from 9:30 to 11:00, it sounds more like they're planning to be attacked as they march by, and then defend themselves aggressively. The black guy's suggestion that antifa could see them and just ignore them is met with laughter. The guy with the baton says that if the police are around, they're going to arrest them (Patriot Prayer) instead of Antifa, because the cops are on Antifa's side (somehow.) Black guy suggest they do the march on the other side of the street (instead of right in front of the bar.) Someone makes a statement that the numbers don't bode well, and they need more members. (They'll get their asses kicked when antifa predictably starts a fight with them.)

So they're spoiling for a fight with antifa, knowing antifa with be provoked by their presence, but it's a stretch to say that they're "actively planning an attack on the bar" in Andy Ngo's presence.

Edit: Found another video. Watching that now.