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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #41835 on: November 10, 2020, 08:08:57 pm »

Wait...Hunter: The Reckoning?

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« Reply #41836 on: November 10, 2020, 09:12:29 pm »

Oh I completely support the idea of expanding courts both at the upper State and Federal levels in order to expedite without rubberstamping the amount/rate of case load they decide, but I couldn't tell much the other effects of doing it. I'm not in the legal business so I'm actualy pretty clueless about consequences of my desired return.

It's just I'm not knowledgeable enough to know of a way that our choice of 2 would agree with the other on enough that court expansion are not completely onesided or if not at least portrayed that way to the point where everyone is mad regardless and do it again when it's their turn.

However with the confirmation shenanigans and all I don't think doing nothing is the answer either lest that stay the norm. Plus it was a rotten move in my opinion which does sway my opinion towards expanding the US Supreme Court, again without particular knowledge to back it up.

EDIT: I clarify I haven't done the research so when someone comes along who has they know I'm not intentionally misleading people if I am incorrect, apologies if it's annoying.
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« Reply #41837 on: November 10, 2020, 09:27:20 pm »

Really the only thing to do about the supreme court would be to expand it by authorizing every US resident (and I'd say the citizens of any country that has US military bases, they should also be allowed to vote in national elections) as supreme court justices.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #41838 on: November 10, 2020, 09:31:31 pm »

the citizens of any country that has US military bases
So, everybody on the planet?
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #41839 on: November 10, 2020, 09:39:35 pm »

Really the only thing to do about the supreme court would be to expand it by authorizing every US resident (and I'd say the citizens of any country that has US military bases, they should also be allowed to vote in national elections) as supreme court justices.

I like the spirit of it but I'd have been downcast if I had to learn this mess as a wee lad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisprudence

Someone should make Jurisprudence: The Video Game

I never played Ace Attorney but I hear that is close
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« Reply #41840 on: November 10, 2020, 09:42:34 pm »

the citizens of any country that has US military bases
So, everybody on the planet?

Let's not get carried away, but maybe there should be a yearly, worldwide recall election where everyone on the planet can vote on whether to recall the US president. I'd be ok with that
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« Reply #41841 on: November 10, 2020, 09:44:27 pm »

Yeah, but imagine how much of a clusterfuck it would be to run an election on that scale.
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« Reply #41842 on: November 10, 2020, 09:46:47 pm »

Even at its barest minimum, expanding the courts would make it easier for the SCOTUS to actually do its bloody job, for what it's worth. One of the noted issues with the supreme court as is, is there's too damn few of them to really handle the load they're faced with. The US is a lot larger and its legal system that much messier than it was the last time the court was expanded. Enough justices to split up and handle multiple case loads would be a damn overdue improvement.

From a pure capacity standpoint, the Court could handle significantly greater case volume than it does now. The reason the Court rejects most cases is that every case creates a legal precedent that overrides every court and legislature in the country. Too many of them and the legal system grinds to a halt.
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« Reply #41843 on: November 10, 2020, 09:48:03 pm »

Yeah, but imagine how much of a clusterfuck it would be to run an election on that scale.

Yeah but it'd be fun
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #41844 on: November 10, 2020, 09:49:47 pm »

I see that you're in line with this forum's nominal stance on Fun.
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« Reply #41845 on: November 10, 2020, 09:52:07 pm »

US would give Restofworldia 2 Senate seats like every other state

In seriousness though I'm not against some kind of agreement between the superpowers of the day to have their actions governed to an extent greater than today by wide coalitions of smaller nations but again consequences. It might just lead to greater interventionism as the superpowers feel a greater need to consolidate their bloc, though one would hope it would be through competing through economic support (carrots) rather than has often been the case (the stick).

That's just a quick thought, not something I've dwelled on pandemic fueled laze.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #41846 on: November 10, 2020, 09:52:18 pm »

Yeah, but imagine how much of a clusterfuck it would be to run an election on that scale.

Ideally, that would mean they would have to steer their presidency into being good for the entire world. We wouldn't want that.

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« Reply #41847 on: November 10, 2020, 09:53:42 pm »

I mean, not long ago we were talking about voting by app. All we'd have to do is carpet bomb the world with smartphones preloaded with the voting app, rigged up so the machine wouldn't do anything else until you choose an option. You get to keep and use the phone after you vote, even!
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #41848 on: November 10, 2020, 10:01:00 pm »

US would give Restofworldia 2 Senate seats like every other state

In seriousness though I'm not against some kind of agreement between the superpowers of the day to have their actions governed to an extent greater than today by wide coalitions of smaller nations but again consequences. It might just lead to greater interventionism as the superpowers feel a greater need to consolidate their bloc, though one would hope it would be through competing through economic support (carrots) rather than has often been the case (the stick).

That's just a quick thought, not something I've dwelled on pandemic fueled laze.

The problem I see, is that it would require something "kinda like" the electoral college to not have China dominate all world politics, just because it has more than half the global population.

That would result in more populous countries being told "Shut up", to give smaller countries, like say, cuba, an actual voice at the table.

It would have all the same decrying arguments against it the US has with its EC system.
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« Reply #41849 on: November 10, 2020, 10:06:49 pm »

I mean, not long ago we were talking about voting by app. All we'd have to do is carpet bomb the world with smartphones preloaded with the voting app, rigged up so the machine wouldn't do anything else until you choose an option. You get to keep and use the phone after you vote, even!

I like the free phone part but isn't the main problem with voting through various tubes the possibility of tampering or other interference? Seems like you'd need block chains or something for verification but even then (I don't know anything about block chains) can't they be "mined"? I dunno if that would be able to break it as a system though.

Hah we'll use captchas. If you can recognize a street light, you can vote!

How is that ol' uninterceptable quantum entanglement coming along? That would make it more feasible maybe.

I'd totally vote on a phone if that was the cool thing of the day
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