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[Enemy post]

Trump has been impeached.

[Dunamisdeos]

Trump has been impeached.

And now the Senate will vote to keep him right where he is.

[MrRoboto75]

Imagine Trump suffering actual negative consequences once for his actions.

[Doomblade187]

Imagine Trump suffering actual negative consequences once for his actions.

Sadly, this function has atrophied for me.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Republicans: We should change the laws so that we can't punish rich people.

Corporate Dems: I agree with my husband.

*Twenty years later, can't punish Trump for his actions*

Corporate Dems: *shocked pikachu*

[Max™]

I'm so goddamn disappointed that I once thought good things of Gabbard.

[SOLDIER First]

So... Afghanistan, huh?

[Max™]

Not sure what that references, but no, as disgusted as I am with the cowards on the republican side huddling behind the president like a pack of abused bitchwolves (i.e. modern dogs) I can't honestly say I expected any different at this point.

Gabbard though, she goddamn knows better than to go on record as some sort of passive enabler with "present" votes on the question of whether the orange turdbaby abused his power and obstructed congress.

[Frumple]

I think they were asking about what the good thoughts used to be.

Actually do seem to recall my initial exposure to gabbard being fairly positive, years ago, if I'm not conflating them with some other politician. I can't remember why, but I vaguely remember there being a point they weren't basically a living trash fire, or at least where I wasn't aware of it and had seen some okay/good things. Just don't ask me what they were, I don't recall and it no longer matters.

[sluissa]

Eh, Gabbard has been one of the more moderate voices, and this fits with that trend.

I don't say I agree with it. But I think I understand her reasoning. (Assuming it's not simple attention grabbing trying to get back into the news cycle as a presidential candidate.)

The impeachment will stand as a de facto censure vote. But it's easy enough for republicans to spin it as a partisan play when there's absolutely nobody on their side willing to back it. I tend to be on the side that even when you know the outcome won't matter, you still have to go through the motions of doing the right thing, so impeachment it is. But I can understand her frustration with the process and the fact that it simply won't do anything effective. And I can even understand the angle where a censure vote, with no teeth to it, might have in fact gotten some republican support and actually done more damage to Trump, and less to widen the divide between the two sides.

As it is, impeachment is all out warfare, not just on trump, but, as they've spun it, on the republican party. And when things start getting that heated, sometimes you just have to bite your tongue and accept that, yeah, you don't like the guy, but he's not currently shooting at you, unlike the other party.

Again, I think impeachment is the correct path. Really the only choice given the shit Trump's done. But it's also going to be completely ineffective. Polls have shown that people aren't really changing their minds, simply getting more entrenched in their positions.

[Iduno]

Eh, Gabbard has been one of the more moderate voices, and this fits with that trend.

'Moderate' as in the centrist/neoliberal idea that "the only thing worse than what the Republicans are doing is trying to fix things"?

[sluissa]

Here's the thing. There's no point in trying to fix something, or build something, if it's construction is framed in terms that makes the other side simply want to tear it down at the first opportunity.

[Max™]

My little sister is a jarhead, my grandfather Max would answer just as readily to "Gunny", I briefly considered joining until the recruiter looked at my ASVAB scores and the realization that I'm an anarchist at heart and told me to go get a degree or something. As anti-war-on-terror I may be, I default to pro-soldier still.

I appreciated the weight she applied to the idea of sending kids overseas to die, having gone over there to risk it she wouldn't be expected to be eager to do it to others.

She was also a fan of Inouye but really, if you're not, move the hell to France or some bullshit.

Taking care of the hawaiian ecosystem is a noble cause she was behind, scored more points for me.

Bonus: she's not an old white dude.

Then she started chipping away at whatever positive impressions I started with until we get where I am now: thoroughly disgusted with her, angry at myself for having talked her up to others, and disappointed because what may have been a gesture of bipartisan good will 20 years ago ends up as nothing but a betrayal nowadays.

[Doomblade187]

Here's the thing. There's no point in trying to fix something, or build something, if it's construction is framed in terms that makes the other side simply want to tear it down at the first opportunity.

The problem is, the only thing the construction needs to be hated at this moment is the "author" column.

[sluissa]

Here's the thing. There's no point in trying to fix something, or build something, if it's construction is framed in terms that makes the other side simply want to tear it down at the first opportunity.

The problem is, the only thing the construction needs to be hated at this moment is the "author" column.

And this is a problem that needs to be worked on. Trump isn't the problem. Trump is a symptom of this larger problem of partisanship. We never would have gotten to this point if we hadn't spent 8 years of Bush being the literal devil to one half of the country and then 8 years of Obama being the literal antichrist to the other half of the country. Neither one of them was NEARLY as bad a president as their opponents would like to make them out to be. Not that it started with them, but that's really where it reached a head.

We're never going to get past this divide unless something changes. But nothing's going to change because the people in charge like it this way. Ideally we'd just ban all political parties from the process. Everyone in congress has to run on their own platform with their own positions, and make their own cases for why they vote the way they vote and explain it to the people they represent instead of just "Oh yeah, we're the same party, vote for me."

Short of that, maybe there's a chance of telling Fox News/MSNBC to shut the hell up and do their jobs rather than push their boss's agendas. Second only to the parties I place the blame squarely on media and their blatant spinning of the truth in almost every story they tell these days. When they do get it right, they get it really right. I'm not saying they've completely failed at their jobs, but their day to day reporting is absolute shit.