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[wierd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_socialism

Where did I use it wrong?

[scriver]

I simply object to the idea of putting liberalism and socialism together. They are inherently discordant - one is the idea of wanting to achieve class equality, the other the idea of continuous class difference.

[wierd]

I did not coin the term, I just used it.

You'll just have to grin and bear it, like I do when I hear the phrase "Government intelligence".

[scriver]

I probably shouldn't gave noiced up anyway, it would only bring the discussion off topic.

[smjjames]

I'm hoping biden gets the nomination, he has the best chance at winning. Either him or Kamala Harris who seems rather smart and does well in debates. I need to read more on her though.

Sanders I liked before, but he seems to be a bit hypocritical with what he says compared to what he does. I wouldn't vote for him anymore, but I did vote for him when it was between him and Hillary. He had recent internal issues with staffers wanting better pay, and it took going to the press to do it because he kept refusing. But then he cut their work hours, so they probably actually make less than they did before if not maybe about the same. He doesn't seem to like giving up his money, even though he asks others to. So much for what I thought was a guy who wanted to take the rich peoples money and pass it around...but guess that doesn't include himself.

Biden I like a lot though, but he doesn't seem to debate too well. The press seem to like him the most and he still tops the polls, but a lot can change from now to nomination time.

Yeah, insofar as Trump is scared of him, he seems like he'd be the best. As for debate performance, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that he's just rusty at it, besides, it was just the first one, plenty of time to improve.

@wierd: At least give qassius a chance to respond, though I agree with you on the overuse of 'SOCIALISM!!!11!!11!! *FROTHS AT THE MOUTH*' as a replacement for 'thing I don't like/agree with' and to simply end discussion. I believe you find it just as irritating as I do.

@quassius: You can go ahead and explain if you want, we're receptive to constructive arguments from conservatives.

[Pwnzerfaust]

I simply object to the idea of putting liberalism and socialism together. They are inherently discordant - one is the idea of wanting to achieve class equality, the other the idea of continuous class difference.

That's a rather weird definition. Liberalism, in the classic sense, refers to personal freedom. Liberalism is simply any ideology in which personal freedom is given a high priority. "Liberal socialism" is not necessarily a contradiction in terms, unless you believe that socialism requires suspension or restriction of personal freedom in order to achieve the desired equality.

[sluissa]

Those feeling like Biden has the best chance because of early polling numbers should note that early primary polling numbers tend not to matter very much at all.

In fact if you pick and choose your numbers right, early primary frontrunners* tend NOT to win the eventual nomination.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-democratic-primary-how-much-does-being-an-early-frontrunner-matter/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-more-than-40-years-of-early-primary-polls-tell-us-about-2020-part-1/

*Not counting incumbent presidents.


I can stomach voting for Biden if it comes down to it. And that might in fact be the thing that wins it for him, while he's not everyone's favorite, he's the one everyone can stomach. But I do think there are stronger candidates in Harris and Warren and maybe even Booker. Each of them stand a greater chance of alienating a given portion of the party, but at the same time, tend to excite people more than Biden which might bring more people out from the parts they don't alienate and be a net gain overall.

Biden has peaked early, and from here there's nowhere to go but down... unless candidates just start dropping out and he becomes the only reasonable choice left. (I fear a hypothetical head to head of a weakened Biden versus an "only other choice" Williamson.)

[smjjames]

A debate between Williams and Trump would probably be a bit strange and surreal at best. Her appeals of love in response to his attacks would probably weird Trump out though as he wouldn't expect or be used to that sort of response. Doubt she is going to stick around much longer as I don't think she has met the requirements for the September debates.

As far as Biden goes, theres certainly still time for him to turn things around.

The Mueller hearings seem to be going pretty much as expected, posturing on both sides and things not really going much of anywhere.

[Telgin]

Yeah, I honestly don't know what anyone thought the hearing would accomplish.  He's doing essentially what I expected and telling people to read the report.

[da_nang]

In other news, Barr continues being malicious.

[Naturegirl1999]

Wow. Just wow. The government doesn't need access to everyone's messages.

[PTTG??]

Everyone should call his office and demand every little detail about his personal life. And if he or his staff refuses to answer, ask them what they have to hide.

[smjjames]

It's the same old 'new technology or technique comes out and the government struggles to figure out how to deal with it'.

Course, it'd probably help if the AG had some actual technical expertise or at least had people with said expertise that they'd listen to since said technical expertise seems to be lacking in the top government these days.

Anyways, maybe they could have done the hearings better if they did it watergate hearing style. It's an opinion piece, but I'm pointing at how they could have done the hearing.

[Trolldefender99]

So whats everyones thought on the Mueller thing? Did we/democrats come out ahead of it? Same ole same ole or did it not really help us? Glancing CNN and nytimes it seems a bit iffy, not really too much new but I haven't been keeping up today as other stuff is going on.

[PTTG??]

They'd better remember that Mueller said, plain and simple, that he did not exonerate the president, and when the president leaves office, he could be charged with a crime.

That's what the report said, but Americans don't like reading.

Frankly, I think Mueller doesn't have a lot of respect for the American people, and he doesn't particularly care about ideology. He just wanted to do his job and leave. Unfortunately for him, and us, his position called for someone to go above and beyond.