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[Loud Whispers]

I'm not sure how much of it can be blamed on 9/11.  I see the handling of protest as a pretty good thermometer for law enforcement culture.  The Battle in Seattle pre-dates 9/11, but is widely regarded among activists as setting the tone for the 21st century.  Echelon was also widely known as a far-reaching internet surveillance project long before 9/11.

Airport security and counter-terrorism apparatus may not have developed the way it did before 9/11.  But in regards to the general atmosphere of authoritarianism in law enforcement and how those energies have been directed, I think that stuff was already in the works, and 9/11 only provided a convenient pretext to speed up the process.

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[Doomblade187]

I was going to say something about you probably meaning coca leaves, but considering the state of the chocolate industry, a little human trafficking and slave labor wouldn't be that far off.

There is a brand of chocolate (Tony's Chocolonely) that specifically guaruntees that it is made without slave labor.

I would say that the chocolate industry has a labor problem.

[smjjames]

One of the bigger problems with the police IMO is that they're trained in the same reflex shooting as soldiers are. It's hard for almost anyone to kill deliberately, and easy to kill as a trained reflex. And we demand that police officers be ready to kill people in their duties, so naturally they have to be trained to kill. But once you have a reflex like that, it's not something you can turn off, so the fact that police carry handguns and need to be constantly ready to use them naturally interferes with their ability to perform duties that aren't shooting people.

...And that's why I believe that normal officers shouldn't carry a pistol.

I'm pretty sure soldiers aren't trained to shoot on a hair trigger. Sure, there would be situations where shooting on a hair trigger is needed, but they aren't trained to shoot at everything that moves or spooks them (unless maybe ordered to).

[Lord Shonus]

Indeed, there is evidence that the veterans of our current wars have superbly developed threat-analysis and de-escalation skills - an obvious asset in an environment where a single mistaken bullet could ignite a firestorm that claims thousands of lives.

[Trekkin]

Indeed, there is evidence that the veterans of our current wars have superbly developed threat-analysis and de-escalation skills - an obvious asset in an environment where a single mistaken bullet could ignite a firestorm that claims thousands of lives.

I'd like to see that evidence; while it makes logical sense, there's also a definite tendency right now for certain segments of the population to lionize the military in general and veterans in particular as fundamentally better than civilians, and this would fit the soldier-as-Übermensch narrative suspiciously well.

[scriver]

Or maybe some drug lord just wanted to put a lime in their drink, and hijacking a lime shipment was the most logical course of action they could come up with to that end.

You can't really expect someone who invests in a personal underground lake with gold-plated beluga whales to be the most rational kind of individual.

Yeah but kidnapping people fleeing poverty for ransom money seems like a business endeavour doomed to failure

Everybody always has more money that can be wrung out of them or their relatives and friends when their lives is on the line, or dear ones that can be put to work in order to pay a ransom.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/migrant-caravan-kidnap-mexico-trump-midterm-elections-oaxaca-organised-crime-a8619731.html
Cartels in Mexico City kidnapping migrants for ransom
I question this business plan

Hey a few years ago they were stealing trucks of limes and all I could figure was either, "Cartel block party" or "horrific torture with lime juice and the sun". They don't make sense, they sell drugs.

Reminds me of that time some Swedish motorcycle gang robbed a truck full of cookies/coffee bread and then ran a black market cookie selling ring from their apartment.

[ChairmanPoo]

One of the bigger problems with the police IMO is that they're trained in the same reflex shooting as soldiers are. It's hard for almost anyone to kill deliberately, and easy to kill as a trained reflex. And we demand that police officers be ready to kill people in their duties, so naturally they have to be trained to kill. But once you have a reflex like that, it's not something you can turn off, so the fact that police carry handguns and need to be constantly ready to use them naturally interferes with their ability to perform duties that aren't shooting people.

...And that's why I believe that normal officers shouldn't carry a pistol.

It's gone from Protect and Serve to Execute and Survive.

To Protect and Sever

[Kagus]

Confderate

What the hell, Ohio?

[Hanslanda]

Confderate

What the hell, Ohio?

1. She still has a slight lead.

2. At least the governor isn't a sociopath.

[scriver]

What the hell, Ohio?

America please stop trying to institute sharia law

[Loud Whispers]

Mashallah murrica

[Akura]

What the hell, Ohio?

America please stop trying to institute sharia law

According to this, the general idea is that abortion is allowed(with good reason) before 4 months, though it differs between different madhhab(Malikites forbid it entirely, for example). Even after 120 days, an exception can be made if there is a clear threat to the mother, for example a miscarriage that needs to aborted to save the mother's life.

[Hanslanda]

What the hell, Ohio?

America please stop trying to institute sharia law

According to this, the general idea is that abortion is allowed(with good reason) before 4 months, though it differs between different madhhab(Malikites forbid it entirely, for example). Even after 120 days, an exception can be made if there is a clear threat to the mother, for example a miscarriage that needs to aborted to save the mother's life.

Islam: More equitable and progressive than evangelical American Christians

[Dorsidwarf]

Your know things are crazy when a pro-life republican governor is threatening to veto a republican anti-abortion bill

[Dunamisdeos]

What the hell, Ohio?

Me, a Christain.



You know they're counting on the new balance in the SCOTUS not to strike it down.