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[misko27]

True confessions time - I never really got a good grasp on temperature in terms of weather (I was fine with it in chemistry, or cooking. Just not with the weather). I judge the forecasts by the shade of blue/yellow on the little boxes the numbers are in, or the little pictures of a sun or a frosty-looking cloud.

It's probably my greatest shame. So whether it's C or F, I'd be happy if we narrowed it down to just one.

F is easy!

Spoiler: Note: only the most objective of ratings. (click to show/hide)

100 is "Help I'm dying".
95 is "Entirely too f***ing hot" for misko, "Warm" for summer folk, "Unpleasantly hot" for everyone else.
90 is "I'm sweating" for misko, "Ideal" for summer folks, "Warm" for everyone else.
80 is "Too warm" for misko, "Very nice" for everyone else.
60 is "Wish it was colder" for misko, "Pleasant" for everyone else.   
40 is what I consider pleasant.
30 is "Ice will melt and freeze"
20 is "Actually really cold"
10 is "Seriously kinda of cold"
0   is "At least misko is having fun"
-10 is "It is now so cold that salt cannot melt snow"
-20 is the point where, if you dump boiling water, it will freeze before hitting the ground. It is also the first place where I will admit that it is possibly too cold.
-30 is the point where skin exposure lasting over 10 seconds can frostbite.
-40 is the point where C and F intersect, and is also "Entirely too fucking cold"

OK, then thanks for... uh, complimenting me! But why St. Petersburg, specifically, though? It's kind of a wet and damp city, and I've never even been to it!

Because it's not a real occupation until ignorant foreigners butcher the occupational authority by ignoring all preexisting divisions and roles in order to establish arbitrarily defined quisling bodies and occasionally give everything away to transnational corporations.

Just as it will be when America conquers Europe and I install Helgoland as Privus Absolute of....*rapidly googles* Schwerin.

However, if you swear your life and blood to me I promise I won't force you to manage Perm.

I'd rather side with Europeans against the tyrannical warmongers of Washington, thank you. Russia is a European country, and will not suffer an extra-continental occupation!

Are you implying that Europeans do not suffer extra-continental occupation? While a German is here? I mean, hello?

Now I sorta want to get a map and draw hypothetical occupation administrative boundaries. Hurry up Europeans, claim your administrative region and leadership position (before it claims you!)

[Helgoland]

Dibs on Benelux+Western Germany.

[Loud Whispers]

I want Svalbard

Best chance of living post WWIII in the dank ruins of Europe. Future colonies could be modeled on the Greek philosophers and get drunk whilst ruminating on the downfall of man and the human condition, shit would be so gothic and saxon

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I want Svalbard

You want to ride out the apocalypse with only PewDiePie as your slave?

[Sergarr]

Oh, I thought you were talking about Moscow... Rostov-on-Don, then? I guess we need a guy down there too - I'll see what I can do.

Nnnnnot even close. Come on, I thought that my comment on the "biggest free trade hub marketplace in Russia ever" would be enough for a savvy German mind to decipher the true location? This place is so famous it's even got its own page in English Wikipedia!

And believe me, I appreciate your offer of helping me avoid that job in Schwerin.

I don't know what Schwerin even is, but I'd wager it's about as dreadful of a place as Perm.

Are you implying that Europeans do not suffer extra-continental occupation? While a German is here? I mean, hello?

Not until you try to put Helgoland in charge of Schwerin. That would be a crime against humanity, the Hague will remember this!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Air temperature scales are deceptive anyway.

20F, no wind = Light sweater, I keep forgetting it's actually cold until I touch a metal railing.

45F, heavy wind = Greatcoat, gloves, hat, scarf, hunch into my profile and pray for death as I traverse the frozen wasteland.

[Max™]

That said, it's quite telling seeing rags like Salon (who incidentally quickly deleted some of their more infamous 'pro-paedophilia' articles before putting up their one on Milo), or people who've constantly defended Roman Polanski in the past, suddenly wheel out the full-bores just for Milo.

Tbh pedo rags fightan pedos is commendable. Sympathy for victims does not excuse how the dude is dodge and influential in the Trump right; interesting to see how the Americans will respond. Hopefully prog rags remain anti-pedo and gops don't slacken just because this "one dude is super important on twitter." Perhaps in time, they will no longer even been known as pedo rags

I hate to do this for two reasons, but technically it would be hebephilia: attraction to pubescent but immature individuals is different from pedophilia: attraction to pre-pubescent individuals.

Now why do I hate to do this?

1. I don't want to defend Milo, honestly it's hilarious seeing him get shitcanned for it, and it's such a juicy counterpoint to the "SJWs want to prevent people from saying certain things, therefore liberals hate free speech" when they can now point to CPAC and Breitbart and his publisher as shining pillars of something or other.

2. Shouting the loudest most offensive thing you can, even if completely inappropriate, literally got Trump elected. So while it is technically incorrect to call Bannon a nazi--though Richard "Punchable as Hell" Spencer is one and a big fan of his--it's less likely to confuse anyone, and probably will get more of a reaction than calling him a neofascist pseudo-intellectual cuntbag would. It's technically incorrect to call Milo a pedo, but explaining why isn't going to do much besides let you know that, yes, while the other guys kept doing this and won, you made sure your usage was correct.

Fuck it, trying to be polite and claim some sort of high ground against a bunch of shitflingers didn't work, it hasn't worked before, it doesn't show signs of ever working.

If Donald wants to be a douchebag and fling around words incorrectly and butcher everything he says to win over his audience, trying to stop him isn't going to work, but using the same methods to fuck over his efforts seems like fair game to me when you've got this fucker trying to run around dismantling shit because he doesn't understand it. We let him keep that up and it'll be Trump sitting on a pile of rubble because he didn't understand anything of significance and just kept kicking at pillars and pushing buttons until it was all ruined.

On the topic of metric vs imperial:
While metric is best for sciencey things, Imperial is often better for day to day stuff. For example Fahrenheit is great  for normal uses because 0 to 100 is roughly a good range for human livability, but 0 and 100 in Celsius is a huge range where 0 is still cold as funk but 100 is now you are dead.

That's completely moot if you're used to metric though. Farenheight makes no sense to me, while I intrinsically know that -20*C is not good unless winter, -10*C is tolerable, 0*C is ok, 10*C is best, 20*C is tolerable, 30*C is wrong, 40*C is mosquitoes and death

Until I noticed it and wondered why the hell it isn't pointed out more often, I had trouble getting my hooks into Celsius.

0 C = 32 F
10 C = 50 F
20 C = 68 F
30 C = 86 F
40 C = 104 F
50 C = What the fuck why do you live there, jesus how are you even alive, seriously I was born shortly after Dallas, Texas hit 113 F and that record has stood for 36 years, 122 F? Fuck that!

[Starver]

"D" table, mostly in 15° increments...

65: Hottest sun-beaten-only place on Earth.
80: Remember to drink. And a saltlick might help.
95: Body temperature, thus uncomfortable
110: Phew!
125: Just about right, cheers
140: Ok if you stay active
155: Whoops! Icy!
170: I need another layer.
(175: So, Fahrenheit walked into a bar...)
185: No thanks.
(210: Fahrenheit and Celsius buy the drinks.)
...
285: Cold as it'll get.
560: Cold as it can get...

[Max™]

Kelvins are the best, it's about 289 Kelvins outside atm.

Honorable mention to Planck Temperatures, where 1 is the value at which thermal radiation emission would have wavelengths shorter than the Planck Length and need a full Quantum Gravity theory to even describe going beyond it, and this is about 1.417x10³² Kelvins... or Celsius, since 273 either way doesn't matter when you're swinging around words like "decillions" casually.

[itisnotlogical]

I hate to do this for two reasons, but technically it would be hebephilia: attraction to pubescent but immature individuals is different from pedophilia: attraction to pre-pubescent individuals.

I want to make it clear up top that I'm not accusing you of anything Max. This is a general statement about that defense/distinction/etc.

That said:

The whole pedo/adele/hebe/*phile distinction only makes anybody using it look worse, unless they're a researcher or person looking to treat such people, who would have specific reason to make that distinction. It's like a man with a bunch of swimsuit/porno/whatever sexual magazines claiming "I read it for the articles" when everybody knows that's not the reason. Do people pick them up genuinely without interest in the sexual content? Sure, those people probably exist. Is it likely? No. It just seems like they don't want to admit it and are trying to phrase their habit in a way that might make it seem more acceptable.

This is a hot button for me, because I've known young women (starry-eyed sixteen-year-olds) that got preyed on by 20+ year old men for easy sex, because teenagers make awful decisions based on emotion rather than past experience. At least one of those ended in a miscarriage, and if you wanna look up the Rage thread I posted years ago about one friend who had to hand over all her social media passwords so an older boyfriend could look over her messages.

Just because teenagers look more adult doesn't mean that they aren't easily manipulated in the right combination of circumstances. So the distinction could be made that there's some cut-off age between hebephile and pedophile, but it's a pointless distinction and using it for a defense of such people is fallacious at best.

[Reelya]

I had to look up the details.

Hebephilia isn't actually a widely used term for this, that would be ephebephilia, which according to the textbook definition covers 15-19 yo. Hebephilia is early post-puberty (cited as 11 to 14), and pedo is pre-puberty. But anyone saying they're not a "pedo" because their target age is 12 is not going to last long. But I'd argue that "pedo" isn't really a good term to use for those who are attracted to 16-17 year olds. Because that's not what people think you mean when you call someone a "pedo".

[Frumple]

... not a comment on anything else, but it should probably noted that just about everyone makes awful decisions based on emotion rather than past experience (hell, the scenario you spoke of just before that statement was an example, its, since risking time in jail for a lay isn't exactly a display of well considered behavior.). Far as I've noticed teens are even only slightly more inclined than older folks (and possibly less inclined than particularly old people, tbh. Aging can do some nasty shit to your decision-making capabilities.), really, we just tend to write the latter off as making bad decisions rather than being (as) young and stupid. Stuff teens tend to get screwed on somewhat notably more is more... other stuff. Financial/career choices, etc. Friggin everyone makes bad relationship decisions.

Lots of adults are little to no more difficult to easily manipulate under the right circumstances, basically. Especially when sex gets involved. All sorts of other reasons to look at a significant age disparity with question, but it's kinda'... I'unno, off to single that bit out when that's pretty much universal among age groups, and there's rarely the same sort of consideration when the same thing happens with an older person.

[ChairmanPoo]

Indeed. I was just thinking of a couple of friends of mine who tend  to chain poor life decisions, (albeit for different reasons). Both are my age (early thirties)

[Loud Whispers]

I want Svalbard

You want to ride out the apocalypse with only PewDiePie as your slave?

Sounds like a pretty chill apocalypse

Now why do I hate to do this?

Cos you're trying to be technically correct, but the terminology is used near exclusively by pedos to establish a beachfront for acceptance

1. I don't want to defend Milo, honestly it's hilarious seeing him get shitcanned for it, and it's such a juicy counterpoint to the "SJWs want to prevent people from saying certain things, therefore liberals hate free speech" when they can now point to CPAC and Breitbart and his publisher as shining pillars of something or other.

Doesn't really form a juicy counterpoint since SJWs memed Freeze Peach, turns into a shitflinging "no u" contest instead of trying to protect a shared right
Moreover, while progressives started attacking Milo cos he was a homonationalist, conservatives were attacking him because he was homosexual. Then these comments came to light:

'Some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, the sort of 'coming of age' relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable rock where they can't speak to their parents... Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13 years old who is sexually mature.'

Conservatives lost their shit, but they also lost power to Trump's right. This poses to them a great conundrum, in that they had to get rid of Milo who was the worst of both comedian and politician. To this end he is no worse than Lena Dunham, but unlike the liberal spectrum, the conservative side must uphold its moral standards against any desire to retain "useful idiots" or else it sacrifices all legitimacy of existence. There is no room for Lena Dunhams in movements that seek clarity against ambiguity, thus while I appreciate that a lot of useful context has been edited out by progressive daily mails, this is one instance where the goals of nearly everyone can coincide neatly

2. Shouting the loudest most offensive thing you can, even if completely inappropriate, literally got Trump elected. So while it is technically incorrect to call Bannon a nazi--though Richard "Punchable as Hell" Spencer is one and a big fan of his--it's less likely to confuse anyone, and probably will get more of a reaction than calling him a neofascist pseudo-intellectual cuntbag would. It's technically incorrect to call Milo a pedo, but explaining why isn't going to do much besides let you know that, yes, while the other guys kept doing this and won, you made sure your usage was correct.
Fuck it, trying to be polite and claim some sort of high ground against a bunch of shitflingers didn't work, it hasn't worked before, it doesn't show signs of ever working.

On twitter they call him a fascist pedo sympathizer, I don't think they give a shit about thesauruses so much as sentiment. Moreover, though one could take Milo's word for it that his comments did not mean what people are supposing them to mean, I have also heard him support a withdrawal for policing statutory rape between Professors and Students. To quote:

'I think it particularly happens in the gay world, by the way. In many cases… actually, those relationships… this is one of the reasons I hate the left. This one-size-fits-all policing of culture. This arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent, which totally destroys, you know, the understanding that many of us have, of the complexities, subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships.

A man who hates the left because the left is coming after his rapey cummies with their oppression
Left and right wing agree, he has to go. That this has even forced Salon to delete their pedo articles is icing on the cake

If Donald wants to be a douchebag and fling around words incorrectly and butcher everything he says to win over his audience, trying to stop him isn't going to work, but using the same methods to fuck over his efforts seems like fair game to me when you've got this fucker trying to run around dismantling shit because he doesn't understand it. We let him keep that up and it'll be Trump sitting on a pile of rubble because he didn't understand anything of significance and just kept kicking at pillars and pushing buttons until it was all ruined.

Tbh I think you don't understand that China is the new China, it's just 2deep4u

[Reelya]

So Milo is really the Jeff Gannon of the Trump era in more ways than one, actually. And I kinda have a feeling that they're going to do a collective "Milo who? Who's that then?" thing within not too long a time. That's what they do with fallen "edgy" right wing pundits who were used to launch a lot of ad hominem attacks, they just pretend they never existed.