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[Karnewarrior]

How much of that is loyalty to the President Trump versus loyalty to Trump the person? Sorta like how the Varangian Guard were loyal to whoever was Emperor, not to any Emperor in particular

That actually seems like a really good thought.  He is pretty much the entire armed forces' boss so it makes me wonder how many members of the armed forces may have answered "Oh yes sir, I love the man and he is a boon to the country" simply because their CO was issuing the survey?

Naturally I've never been in the military, so I'm not sure how this stuff works, but wouldn't being openly against the man qualify as insubordination?

No, but the military is quite careful about not letting uniformed servicemen/women express political opinions to the public, at least while in uniform. Mostly to avoid making it seem like the military is politically biased, because that would be bad.

It IS biased, mostly to rural, gun-toting strongmen types IME, that tends to bend Republican in the current political climate, but there's soldiers and airmen and seamen from all over, so there's not insignificant subgroups of all sorts of types, including everyone from your usual democrat to SJWs to commies to outright fascists. The only group not represented is, obviously, pacifists, but they still sometimes show up on the fringes as doctors and paperpushers and the like, generally as contractors.

So it's as one might expect from the military: there's a natural selection for people who like big boomies and love AR15s, and for people of low incomes at home, but there's plenty of exceptions to one or both. One of the few good things I can say about the military is that they're pretty tolerant of your private life being private as long as it doesn't fuck with their image, and now as long as you're not one'a dem durn trannies, because you know my foremost concern in a foxhole is to not have a guy looking at my ass, not to not be shot by the vietcong. That comes second! 

One of the guys in my squadron put it pretty eloquently: "If my ass is what encourages [gay squad member] to fight harder, I'll take my damn pants off."

[Hanslanda]

Blah blah Sacred Band of Carthage blah

[Il Palazzo]

Thebes, you mean?

[Hanslanda]

I was thinking of them yeah. I knew they were Greek, but Drunk-Me insisted it was Carthage.

[Max™]

So apparently as a hurricane humps up to the coast, massachusetts is exploding? Dozens of explosions, things catching fire. Sounds sorta' like a monumentally colossal fuck up on the part of some gas company or another, from what I've noticed.

I'm seeing buzz about Julia Salazar winning her primary.

I'm not fully convinced these two things are related.

God's punishment, obviously

Let me know when the swarms of locusts show up.

Let's see, war, famine, death... and grasshoppers. Seems like one-a' them things ain't quite like th' others.

[hector13]

Auditions for that fourth horseman position must have been interesting.

“Well, Pest, you’re not quite what we’re looking for. I mean, Famine kind of already does what your thing can do, perhaps you have some extra talents you can offer?”

“Oh, I can do virulent disease too. It’s just a party trick really...”

“... you’re in.”

“Nah, scat isn’t really my bag.”

[Max™]

Dunno why it gets used instead of Conquest.

[misko27]

Did we ever get around to discussing the sexual assault claim against Kavanaugh that surfaced in recent days? Feinstein had it, and referred it to the FBI. Republicans launched into damage control mode, and Democrats don't seem to know what to make of it, or are waiting to see what happens. No one but Feinstein seemed to know about it in advance though, so everyone's a little blindsided.

[SaberToothTiger]

Pestilence is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse not because of grasshoppers but because of, you know, the plague. You know, the thing that had the strange tendency to kill essentially everyone.

Either I don't get your humour or what the shit.

[hector13]

I think you just don’t get the humour, but I’m also poor at communicating it.

[smjjames]

Did we ever get around to discussing the sexual assault claim against Kavanaugh that surfaced in recent days? Feinstein had it, and referred it to the FBI. Republicans launched into damage control mode, and Democrats don't seem to know what to make of it, or are waiting to see what happens. No one but Feinstein seemed to know about it in advance though, so everyone's a little blindsided.

It was never discussed AFAIK, no. It appears that other Senators basically just got the letters and info, so, it sounds like everybody is just waiting to see what happens next since it's not clear that the allegations actually pan out and the accuser is being anonymous right now.

[Lord Shonus]

There really isn't anything to discuss at this point. All we have is an anonymous allegation from decades ago, with little to support it. Right now, any discussion would be rooted more in personal bias than any real data, so the only sane thing to do is wait and see if the FBI investigation turns up anything. This isn't like the allegations against Trump or Franken, where several people immediately chimed in to back the accuser(s), and evidence was provided. Pretty much anybody who doesn't trust Feinstein is going to default to the "obvious dirty pool fabrication" position, which helps nobody.

If it happened, it should be disqualifying. The focus should be on trying to find out if there's any evidence to suggest that it did.

[smjjames]

There really isn't anything to discuss at this point. All we have is an anonymous allegation from decades ago, with little to support it. Right now, any discussion would be rooted more in personal bias than any real data, so the only sane thing to do is wait and see if the FBI investigation turns up anything. This isn't like the allegations against Trump or Franken, where several people immediately chimed in to back the accuser(s), and evidence was provided. Pretty much anybody who doesn't trust Feinstein is going to default to the "obvious dirty pool fabrication" position, which helps nobody.

If it happened, it should be disqualifying. The focus should be on trying to find out if there's any evidence to suggest that it did.

I wouldn't count on the Republicans to delay the Kavanaugh confirmation to let the FBI do it's investigation....

Yes, waiting for the FBI investigation to do it's thing is the logical conclusion, but the Republicans are hellbent on confirming him before the fall SCOTUS session starts, let alone before the midterms or even until January.

[Karnewarrior]

What WOULD happen if he's allowed into the SC and then accused of a crime? Could he essentially pardon himself? They're the head of the whole judicial system, though, so really, how would things play out if enough people become convinced he really did it?

[Frumple]

SCOTUS justice (or any judge) seems to be as able to be charged, indicted, etc., as anyone. The specifics of their position makes it fairly unlikely they'll (have the time alone to) do something criminal, but that's about it.

So far as cases that involve a personal stake, I seem to recall a justice is required to recuse themselves from the case. Could swear that actually happened fairly recently with something fairly high stakes, even. An actual conviction might not automatically mean they lose the position, but it's stupidly strong impetus for an impeachment.

E: 'Course, the GOP being what it is, if the guy was confirmed first they probably would stall an impeachment if he was subsequently filmed diddling children, but a criminal conviction of some sort would make it pretty damn unlikely he served until willing retirement a decade or three out.