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[Karnewarrior]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html

ISIS claims responsibility?

They always try to claim shit they didn't do. I'll believe it when the CSI says he may have had links to ISIS.

More likely the guy's a loony of some extremist American ideology, like a SJW or Alt-righter.

[Madman198237]

Statistically speaking it's far more likely he has a mental illness or other condition driving him to get attention and commit suicide simultaneously.


I'm a Republican for most things, but I think both Democrats AND Republicans are quite stupid for not being able to pass a blanket ban on anything that fires more than one bullet at a time, and things that can be used to rapidly fire multiple powerful bullets. Oh, and military-grade ammunition.

Nobody needs any of those for hunting or for home defense, for OBVIOUS reasons.

[sluissa]

Too early to say whether the person was or is a sex worker.

Apparently she hasn't been in the USA for several years, but used to worked in Vegas at one of the casinos. The guy used her ID to book the hotel room. So ex-girlfriend perhaps? Maybe he had some of her stuff left around when she left the country?

Another article I saw at some point said they'd been living together since January of this year.

This is turning into a clear cut example of one of those "don't believe anything you hear/read first day" stories.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Las Vegas is often used as a symbol of degeneracy by extremists, but if his social media is clean then I have to doubt it. Even normal people can't keep their mouths shut on the internet, much less extremists.

Currently, the most likely motive to me is a psychotic break/brain injury type situation.

[smjjames]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html

ISIS claims responsibility?

They always try to claim shit they didn't do. I'll believe it when the CSI says he may have had links to ISIS.

More likely the guy's a loony of some extremist American ideology, like a SJW or Alt-righter.

You mean CIA not CSI?

SJW is too broad of a term, but I get what you mean.

Statistically speaking it's far more likely he has a mental illness or other condition driving him to get attention and commit suicide simultaneously.

Statistically, yes, but the guys brother has no clue about it either, didn't mention mental illness or anything.

I'm a Republican for most things, but I think both Democrats AND Republicans are quite stupid for not being able to pass a blanket ban on anything that fires more than one bullet at a time, and things that can be used to rapidly fire multiple powerful bullets. Oh, and military-grade ammunition.

Nobody needs any of those for hunting or for home defense, for OBVIOUS reasons.

I'm liberal and even going so far as firing one bullet at a time seems rather extreme. And the Democrats HAVE been trying to get something done as far as guns, but the Republican puppets of the NRA keep blocking them. I do agree that something needs to be done.

Las Vegas is often used as a symbol of degeneracy by extremists, but if his social media is clean then I have to doubt it. Even normal people can't keep their mouths shut on the internet, much less extremists.

Currently, the most likely motive to me is a psychotic break/brain injury type situation.

More likely they haven't found anything yet, it takes time and not a whole lot of time has elapsed.

[Madman198237]

If you can't fire even one bullet at a time, how do you propose to hunt?

Perhaps you would like hunters to get close enough to skewer deer on spears?

[smjjames]

If you can't fire even one bullet at a time, how do you propose to hunt?

Perhaps you would like hunters to get close enough to skewer deer on spears?

Not my problem if you can't down a deer in one shot. I said making guns only hold and fire one bullet at a time sounds extreme when you're talking about simply reducing the number of shots mass shooters can get off.

I know there are hunting rifles and such which can only fire one shot at a time, but in no way was I saying that we should go and completely ban bullets.

[sluissa]

SJW is too broad of a term, but I get what you mean.

Alt-Righter is too broad of a term, but I get what you mean.

[Madman198237]

Ah, I see you meant "Limiting things that far".

But no, I mean "fires one bullet when the trigger is pulled", so semiautomatic action should be the fastest allowed. Not that that's actually saying much. Stronger limits might be necessary.

That's the LOGICAL way of solving problems yet not really reducing freedoms, except we can't, because there's so many guns already out there.


Anyway.

[Reelya]

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/02/vegas-shooter-use-fully-automatic-weapon/

What the guy had doesn't actually sound like a legal weapon. Could be a full-auto or modified semi auto(s). He had 10 rifles in the room. It'll take working out what he used to determine what effect this will have on gun politics.

And if it's something illegal they might want to sit on that information, while they try and investigate where he got them, which should be understandable. If someone is selling full-auto modified assault rifles then they need to be caught more than we need to read about it.

[smjjames]

Re-reading what I wrote, I can see how it could be misunderstood that way, sorry about that, and I misunderstood you a bit as well in turn.

Politicians seem fixated on banning semi-autos though, perhaps in confusion with automatics, I dunno. The NRA puppeting the Republicans doesn't help either.

At this point, it's not even clear what sort of gun rule, if any, would have stopped this particular mass shooting.

@Reelya: It'll be a surprise if this changes gun politics, it's been stuck in the same place for more than a decade.

[Madman198237]

Sadly accurate. I think you're confusing "Agreement" with "puppeteering" but as I don't get terribly involved in politics I don't really have the information to hold that debate.


Like I said: We can't stop crimes like these, but we might be able to reduce the number of them that we see in the future.

[smjjames]

Agreeing on second amendment rights is one thing, blindly following the gun lobbys lead is another.

[sluissa]

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/02/vegas-shooter-use-fully-automatic-weapon/

What the guy had doesn't actually sound like a legal weapon. Could be a full-auto or modified semi auto(s). He had 10 rifles in the room. It'll take working out what he used to determine what effect this will have on gun politics.

And if it's something illegal they might want to sit on that information, while they try and investigate where he got them, which should be understandable. If someone is selling modified assault rifles then they need to be caught more than we need to read about it.

It's not illegal to own an automatic weapon, it's just expensive and inconvenient to. He had no serious criminal background anyone can find, and coming up with $10k or $20k or even more, while not exactly cheap, isn't really something unexpected for a retirement age person expecting to go out soon to be able to do either. Hell, I know people that age who regularly blow that much on a monthly casino visit. (As in they put that much into the casino visit, they bring some back too, so it's not usually a total loss, but they're prepared to lose that much.)

Illegal is very possible, but legal is also very possible. Either way, politicians are already coming out with statements pushing for "something to be done."

As was said though, what CAN be done when you already have enough guns to arm everyone in the country capable of holding one out in the wild already?

[Trekkin]

What the guy had doesn't actually sound like a legal weapon. Could be a full-auto or modified semi auto(s). He had 10 rifles in the room. It'll take working out what he used to determine what effect this will have on gun politics.

No, it won't. Republicans have been well paid by the NRA to ensure that the effect this will have on gun politics is nothing. All the legality of his gun determines is the rhetoric. Expect a lot of "[the gun control measures being proposed] wouldn't have stopped him."