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[RedKing]

... which hey, is why basically no one has been suggesting casual violence. Go figure.

If it were not for the whole 'you must punch them in the jaws' crowd I would agree
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Hey, I'm not saying you MUST punch them, if you're not up for smacking someone in the chops, I get it, it's kinda horrifying sometimes when you gotta see what happens up close, but once again I ask when has not punching nazis worked out well?

Case in point: https://twitter.com/justcallmeBABA/status/897736204682186752

Split them up, watch them betamode wuss out and beg to avoid getting smacked, make sure everyone sees this, the real face of these shitnazis. With any luck they'll fade back into obscurity before folks need to start stomping, and that would be fantastic.

They get to choose to be a nazi, my neighbors don't get to choose to not be targeted by these fucks because of their skin color, but through a quirk of birth I somehow get to fly under their radar? Nah, even though I don't know the folks next door beyond saying hello or minor smalltalk, I've gotta default to backing the side which isn't choosing to support hateful bullshit.

Why do you think people become Nazis, Max?

Feelings of disenfranchisement, jealousy, indoctrination.
Honestly? Don't give a flying rat's ass. They made the choice. Perhaps the Aryan Nation recruitment poster should be a bit more honest and include something like "Warning: Open membership may cause side effects like becoming a pinata."

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Even most far-right people don't become nazis, and in my own traversal of the political spectrum since childhood I didn't even consider the idea of being a neo-nazi. When your judgement is worse than that of an edgelord 14-year old, you can't say it was just your environment anymore.

At least a 14-year old could blame not having a finished brain.

[EnigmaticHat]

... which hey, is why basically no one has been suggesting casual violence. Go figure.

If it were not for the whole 'you must punch them in the jaws' crowd I would agree
figure go

Hey, I'm not saying you MUST punch them, if you're not up for smacking someone in the chops, I get it, it's kinda horrifying sometimes when you gotta see what happens up close, but once again I ask when has not punching nazis worked out well?

Case in point: https://twitter.com/justcallmeBABA/status/897736204682186752

Split them up, watch them betamode wuss out and beg to avoid getting smacked, make sure everyone sees this, the real face of these shitnazis. With any luck they'll fade back into obscurity before folks need to start stomping, and that would be fantastic.

They get to choose to be a nazi, my neighbors don't get to choose to not be targeted by these fucks because of their skin color, but through a quirk of birth I somehow get to fly under their radar? Nah, even though I don't know the folks next door beyond saying hello or minor smalltalk, I've gotta default to backing the side which isn't choosing to support hateful bullshit.

Why do you think people become Nazis, Max?

Feelings of disenfranchisement, jealousy, indoctrination.
Honestly? Don't give a flying rat's ass. They made the choice. Perhaps the Aryan Nation recruitment poster should be a bit more honest and include something like "Warning: Open membership may cause side effects like becoming a pinata."

Everyone has a reason for what they do.  That's not the same thing as a justification.

[SalmonGod]

Hmm... Opinions on this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/kristinrawls/status/897621132853080064

[smjjames]

Hmm... Opinions on this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/kristinrawls/status/897621132853080064

Rumors until evidence is found and shown and ownership proven. Just giving it a grain of skepticism.

If true, makes you wonder what the hell some people were planning. MSM doesn't seem to have picked up that story yet.

[SalmonGod]

Why do you think people become Nazis, Max?

I sincerely doubt somebody who is not a nazi becomes a nazi out of sympathy for their true victim narrative.  That whole thing doesn't convince anyone of a damn thing.  There is no danger in playing into it, because fucking nobody joins their cause after buying into the idea that they're the ones who need to be defended against everyone else's oh-so-unfair treatment of them for promoting a violent ideology.  This whole point is an obfuscation that they put into play to weaken opposition, and wedge themselves into public space where they can call like-minded people out of hiding and rally together.  They know that there are more of them out there and they have strength to gather.  They just need to successfully lobby public opinion for the right to organize in broad daylight.  We must maintain the taboo and outright rejection of their shit from civil society.

I'll use Sartre again, as I have before

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play.

They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Hmm... Opinions on this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/kristinrawls/status/897621132853080064

Rumors until evidence is found and shown and ownership proven. Just giving it a grain of skepticism.

If true, makes you wonder what the hell some people were planning. MSM doesn't seem to have picked up that story yet.

I don't have time to check out the broadcast right now.  But if it's from the mouth of the state governor... that's a bit more than a rumor?  Question is if he did say these things, what was the actual extent of it, and was it organized or just the finding that a lot of participants had brought stuff they weren't carrying with them?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Apparently the report came from the governor of Virginia? Contrary to the police report? Uhh...

[smjjames]

Gov. McAuliffe has been rather bullshitty in recent comments, thus the skepticism.

[Baffler]

Yeah probably fake news, but I don't doubt that tens of thousands of people will believe it anyway.

[SalmonGod]

Yeah, at this point I'm just weirded out by it.  Sounds like he was being really hyperbolic in that interview, to an extent that someone in that position shouldn't be.

[misko27]

I really wish it would stop being fashionable to abbreviate the Mainstreet Media as "MSM". Every time I see that acronym, I think "Ok, so msn.com is pretty shit, but isn't that a little overkill?"

[MetalSlimeHunt]

How do you think I feel about it?

[Max™]

... which hey, is why basically no one has been suggesting casual violence. Go figure.

If it were not for the whole 'you must punch them in the jaws' crowd I would agree
figure go

Hey, I'm not saying you MUST punch them, if you're not up for smacking someone in the chops, I get it, it's kinda horrifying sometimes when you gotta see what happens up close, but once again I ask when has not punching nazis worked out well?

Case in point: https://twitter.com/justcallmeBABA/status/897736204682186752

Split them up, watch them betamode wuss out and beg to avoid getting smacked, make sure everyone sees this, the real face of these shitnazis. With any luck they'll fade back into obscurity before folks need to start stomping, and that would be fantastic.

They get to choose to be a nazi, my neighbors don't get to choose to not be targeted by these fucks because of their skin color, but through a quirk of birth I somehow get to fly under their radar? Nah, even though I don't know the folks next door beyond saying hello or minor smalltalk, I've gotta default to backing the side which isn't choosing to support hateful bullshit.

Why do you think people become Nazis, Max?

Feelings of disenfranchisement, jealousy, indoctrination.
Honestly? Don't give a flying rat's ass. They made the choice. Perhaps the Aryan Nation recruitment poster should be a bit more honest and include something like "Warning: Open membership may cause side effects like becoming a pinata."

Basically this. Too much time spent blaming others for their situation, not enough time trying to man the fuck up and do something about it, so instead they hang out in echo chambers and get a good frothy righteousness worked up before they set out in broad daylight and start doing shit.

Were they hiding weapons around town? Fuck, that's unsettling as hell if true, but it goes back to my earlier point: you don't just convince people to knock this shit off by talking about why they shouldn't be nazis, or explaining how offensive it is to claim to be one. Nobody decides to walk out in broad daylight and start goosestepping around throwing salutes without knowing it is going to piss people off, and they're long past caring why they're seen as fuckbags by everybody else.

If you don't slap some sense into them early on, they might start thinking they can actually get away with going further, and further.

It's not like there is a risk that they have some grand scheme to reform the nazi image by enacting massive public works projects and cleaning up litter and we might ruin it by knocking their heads together until they simply say "fuck, sorry, I don't wanna be a nazi anymore" is there?

The endgame is kinda obvious, so hey, if people really think they can talk them out of it, please feel free to try, but if it doesn't work, which it probably won't, what then?


...also, god damn the future turned out weird. Electric cars, internet everywhere, reality tv douchebag president, AND GODDAMN NEONAZIS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE!

Who is writing this shit, seriously?

[Starver]

It' should be "MM", anyway, with no "S", to initialise "Mainstream Media".

Who are we, to be arbitrarily using mid-word letters in our abbreviations, National Socialist Germany???


(Yeah, I know you'll consider arguing the point about Abbreviations not necessarily being Initialisms not necessarily being Acronyms, etc, but I've already made my statutory humorous Godwinisation...)

[Frumple]

I'd be good with FEF as an alternative. Fourth Estate Fucks, as the pejorative noun rather than plural verb. Specifically points to the shitty bits, inclusive of all media because hahaha if you think the MSM is bad clearly you haven't been paying attention to the N!MSM you gullible twit, adds a bit of appropriate invective instead of trying to make a neutral descriptive statement into a slur. Improvements all around!

Also would make it easier to popularize FTFE, though I guess it might have to change (or get an addendum acronym when you're not railing against the whole structure instead of specific bad actors) FTFEF. Win/win either way.