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[4maskwolf]

doll: I must admit I'm somewhat hazy on what you mean by "guard conga line".  Obviously it's related to the question I asked Mephansteras earlier, but until I fully understand your plan I'm not going along with it.

[4maskwolf]

EBWOP: Do you mean you protect hector, hector protects Persus, and Persus protects Tiruin?

[webadict]

EBWOP: Do you mean you protect hector, hector protects Persus, and Persus protects Tiruin?

I believe that is what he means.

But I still want Toruin to have the shield.

[doll]

Uh I seem to be missing DA in half my scenario's.
I'll be rewriting it, but it might not still work

4maskwolf
Correct

[4maskwolf]

Uh I seem to be missing DA in half my scenario's.
I'll be rewriting it, but it might not still work

4maskwolf
Correct

Yeah Deus Asmoth is the big swing factor in a lot of your scenarios that make it very difficult to set up these scenarios.  Gimme a bit, I'm working on an idea as well.

[doll]

Mayor doll's amended plan for solving Paranormal 25, second amendment
Lynch Leafsnail D3.
Tiruin boops webadict D3.
TheBiggerFish lowers alert N3.
Deus Asmoth mindscans TheBiggerFish N3.
TheDarkStar gives the shield to Tiruin and the assassination bot to Tiruin N3 - this protects her from scum Assassination bots.
N4 Tiruin gives the shield to hector13 and either uses the bot or gives it to hector13.

After this, TheDarkStar and the guards-and-Tiruin bloc (minus doll) will be clear.
DA scans are clear of being dopps after DA dies.
Players Tiruin tracks through a night with one dopp are clear.

It takes two kills to kill hector13, two to kill Persus13 and unlimited to kill Tiruin, so all in all it's a fairly safe play in terms of unknown scum killing potential.
A scum assassination drone would get around Bodyguard protection. In such a case, things get a lot uglier, but I think it should be salvageable.
We can discuss that when it shows up, though.

If TDS is the scumkill and dies, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin, a scanned TBF, a booped webadict, DA, 4mask, and doll. Lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask. Lynch TBF if he isn't clear, and no-lynch until the shield breaks (lynch doll) or doll dies (lynch webadict).
If doll is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin, a scanned TBF, a clear TDS, a booped webadict, DA and TBF. Lynch DA and bot-kill TBF, then no-lynch until the shield breaks (lynch doll) or doll dies (lynch webadict).
If Deus Asmoth is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin, a clear TDS, doll, a booped webadict, TBF and 4mask. Lynch 4mask and bot-kill TBF, then proceed to no-lynch until scum are forced out as per the TDS scenario.
If 4maskwolf is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin, a clear TDS, a booped webadict, doll, TBF, DA, and 4mask. Lynch doll the second hector's shield breaks, otherwise lynch 4mask and have DA scan an unalert TBF. If doll dies, lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask (then lynch webadict after that) or webadict (if 4mask is clear). If DA dies, lynch TBF then proceed with the doll-webadict no-lynch plan.
If something unexpected happens, figure it out at that time I guess.
If TDS fails to hand over the tech, he's scum and get's lynched first, then DA, then non-clears until the doll-webadict stall endgame. If hector's shield breaks or a shieldless hector dies, lynch doll.


The only change I had to make was using the bot to perform the lynch that was going to be there, and lynching DA instead.
It's pretty well the same thing but slightly less reliable for unexpected later developments.

[4maskwolf]

Your plan is written really poorly in large part because a) you list TBF twice on the doll is scumkill option b) you list me as being a scumkill target rather than the not-on-alert TBF, who would be the one being scumkilled in this case and c) you have yourself being lynched under the situation where you die to the scum nightkill.  You're going to have to re-re-re-rewrite it.  In fact, I'll even do it for you.

Mayor doll's amended plan for solving Paranormal 25, second amendment
Lynch Leafsnail D3.
Tiruin boops webadict D3.
TheBiggerFish lowers alert N3.
Deus Asmoth mindscans TheBiggerFish N3.
TheDarkStar gives the shield to Tiruin and the assassination bot to Tiruin N3 - this protects her from scum Assassination bots.
N4 Tiruin gives the shield to hector13 and either uses the bot or gives it to hector13.]

If TDS is the scumkill and dies, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin, a scanned TBF, a booped webadict, DA, 4mask, and doll. Lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask. Lynch TBF if he isn't clear, and no-lynch until the shield breaks (lynch doll) or doll dies (lynch webadict).
If doll is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, a scanned TBF, a booped webadict, DA and 4maskwolf. Lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask, then lynch webadict and TBF in whatever order makes sense.
If Deus Asmoth is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, doll, a booped webadict, TBF and 4mask. Lynch 4mask and bot-kill TBF, then proceed to no-lynch until scum are forced out as per the TDS scenario.
If TBF is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, a booped webadict, doll, DA, and 4mask. Lynch DA and botkill 4mask, then proceed according to TDS scenario.
If something unexpected happens, figure it out at that time I guess.
If TDS fails to hand over the tech, he's scum and get's lynched first, then DA, then non-clears until the doll-webadict stall endgame. If hector's shield breaks or a shieldless hector dies, lynch doll.
If hector13 dies to scumkill lynch doll

There's only one scenario that requires a large deviation from the plan (you dying N1), and even then it still a guaranteed win for the town (assuming one places their stakes on Tiruin being town).  I like it.

Leafsnail

Everyone: Besides the "Tiruin is by some miracle scum" scenario and the "TDS is a hivemind" scenario, do you see any scenarios that haven't been accounted for here?

Mephansteras: Does a person who get tech traded to them get informed of what tech they receive in the middle of the night?  I would presume so, if it can be used the night it is passed.  Also, can tech trades be agreed upon in advance to occur during the night phase, since Tiruin has internet difficulties a lot and may not be around enough in the night phase to agree to a handoff with TDS.

[doll]

Thanks for the catch.
Reposting for clarity.
Mayor doll's amended plan for solving Paranormal 25, 4mask's amendment (3rd Amendment)
Lynch Leafsnail D3.
Tiruin boops webadict D3.
TheBiggerFish lowers alert N3.
Deus Asmoth mindscans TheBiggerFish N3.
TheDarkStar gives the shield to Tiruin and the assassination bot to Tiruin N3 - this protects her from scum Assassination bots.
N4 Tiruin gives the shield to hector13 and either uses the bot or gives it to hector13.]

If TDS is the scumkill and dies, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin, a scanned TBF, a booped webadict, DA, 4mask, and doll. Lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask. Lynch TBF if he isn't clear, and no-lynch until the shield breaks (lynch doll) or doll dies (lynch webadict).
If doll is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, a scanned TBF, a booped webadict, DA and 4maskwolf. Lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask, then lynch webadict and TBF in whatever order makes sense.
If Deus Asmoth is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, doll, a booped webadict, TBF and 4mask. Lynch 4mask and bot-kill TBF, then proceed to no-lynch until scum are forced out as per the TDS scenario.
If TBF is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, a booped webadict, doll, DA, and 4mask. Lynch DA and botkill 4mask, then proceed according to TDS scenario.
If something unexpected happens, figure it out at that time I guess.
If TDS fails to hand over the tech, he's scum and get's lynched first, then DA, then non-clears until the doll-webadict stall endgame. If hector's shield breaks or a shieldless hector dies, lynch doll.
If hector13 dies to scumkill lynch doll

[doll]

4maskwolf
Strictly speaking, we could have nine exterminators currently in the game.
Any given player could be a survivor or lone dopp or spore spreader or any other third party.
...
This scenario list doesn't explain what to do if scum swing around multiple kills. An assassination bot can kill up the guard chain (though it will have a bullet flavor and so not especially implicate doll), and hector/persus can be killed with two regular kills.
Outside of the most comical situations, I don't think these scenarios are particularly hard to solve - it still takes an incredible number of kills to get through to Tiruin, and doll dying speeds up the process of moving towards all clear players.
...
I'm not super concerned about Spore Spreaders since any infestation aimed at the conga line should be getting redirected to doll (also there may be a lot of War Vets) and if plants go up TBF can be lynched if DA is dead (survive result), or a clear can be burnt in a lynch to avoid the risk.

Spoiler: rewritten again, no meaningful changes (click to show/hide)

Mayor doll's plan for solving Paranormal 25, 4th amendment
Lynch Leafsnail D3.
Tiruin boops webadict D3.
TheBiggerFish lowers alert N3.
Deus Asmoth mindscans TheBiggerFish N3.
TheDarkStar gives the shield to Tiruin and the assassination bot to Tiruin N3 - this protects her from scum Assassination bots.
N4 Tiruin gives the shield to hector13 and either uses the bot or gives it to hector13.

If TDS is the scumkill and dies, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin, a scanned TBF, a booped webadict, DA, 4mask, and doll. Lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask. Lynch TBF if he isn't clear, and no-lynch until the shield breaks (lynch doll) or doll dies (lynch webadict).
If doll is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, a scanned TBF, a booped webadict, DA and 4mask. Lynch DA and bot-kill 4mask. Lynch TBF (if TBF is not clear) or lynch webadict (if TBF is clear).
If Deus Asmoth is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, doll, a booped webadict, TBF and 4mask. Lynch 4mask and bot-kill TBF, then proceed to no-lynch until scum are forced out as per the TDS scenario.
If TBF is the scumkill, this leaves the clear hector-persus-Tiruin-TDS, a booped webadict, doll, DA, and 4mask. Lynch DA and botkill 4mask, then proceed according to TDS scenario.
If something unexpected happens, figure it out at that time I guess.
If TDS fails to hand over the tech, he's scum and get's lynched first, then DA, then non-clears until the doll-webadict stall endgame. If hector's shield breaks or a shieldless hector dies, lynch doll.
If hector13 ever dies to a scumkill, lynch doll.

[4maskwolf]

Actually, there's a modification that's needed.

In all of the scenarios presented, the tracker on webadict serves solely to implicate him if he targets someone, but I have no reason to believe that he isn't a war veteran (and a good reason to believe that he is) and all scenarios where war veteran webadict are scum result in his lynch, so the tracker is never truly needed.

I'd actually prefer if the tracker was placed on doll, since he's the loose cannon at the end of the chain.  In one of these doomsday scenarios where the scum have another kill up their sleeve, the most likely candidate for possessing that would be them: all of the war veterans gave evidence of their role beforehand, whereas doll's role is perhaps the most unconfirmed here.  Thus, I think we should place the tracker on doll to ensure that he does, indeed, target hector13 with the protection rather than go off and perform the scumkill on someone who isn't hector. Since the other two roles with claimed targeted abilities are one almost-confirmed town (Persus13) and one who can be confirmed during N3 (hector13), ensuring doll plays his part in the chain will help us find scum and help clear him if there's a scumkill after one of the scum dies, helping solve the game quicker.

[Leafsnail]

doll's plan is not a breaking strategy. It allows a doll/webadict scumteam to win.

[4maskwolf]

doll's plan is not a breaking strategy. It allows a doll/webadict scumteam to win.

That's not what it does: all scenarios where doll and webadict are scum result in them ending up in a 3 v 2 against hector/Tiruin/Persus.  I'm currently working on figuring out a way to play around the potential for a mad scientist nightkill from the scumteam.

[4maskwolf]

doll's plan is not a breaking strategy. It allows a doll/webadict scumteam to win.

Unless you can provide an actual likely scenario wherein a doll/webadict team wins off of that plan, you're pretty much just digging your hole deeper on the exact same issues webadict, TDS, and I have commented on.

[doll]

There are a lot of scumteams which can win with the right roles.
doll/webadict can win with an extra kill or a roleblock though, so it is a realistic scenario.
I agree that putting the tracker on doll is a good idea - I know that I'm town, so from my point of view it makes things a lot easier if scum do have a roleblock, and webadict isn't actually using the tracker.

[doll]

Since I proposed this plan with webadict as the 'last' war vet, it could also be swapped around to have 4mask be in webadict's place and 4mask in webadict's place if a doll/webadict team at the end is feared.