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[Leafsnail]

Mephansteras: what actions can cause someone to return a 'survive' result? Can these actions override the 'kill' result that comes from being a doppelganger?

From the OP I can't see any.

[webadict]

Mephansteras: what actions can cause someone to return a 'survive' result? Can these actions override the 'kill' result that comes from being a doppelganger?

From the OP I can't see any.

Townie
Enchanter
Survivor
Scientist/Alien with a Double Mind Shield

[doll]

Mephansteras
What about Mad Scientists?

[doll]

ebwop: bleh, read that as a meph post

[doll]

Fix your shit.

My apologies, I can only fix 20% of my shit right now.
I'll fix the rest when I get more time later today.
Deus Asmoth
You're a telepath.
TBF knows your inspect result on him (or at least what it would appear as).
hector13
I was coming around on outing you actually since it was amazing watching Leafsnail squirm.
webadict
Nice comment on authenticity, very sartre-esque.
You think I'm town and have for a long time, and you've more or less meta-cleared yourself.
Hector13 and TDS are obviously town, and I think you'd agree. If not, then why not tell me?
TheDarkStar
You trusted me with your claim, so you're stuck with me as a spokesperson.
PM your tech to myself and hector13 as soon as you see this.
Give your tech to hector13 during the night.
You've cleared him, so obviously you trust him.
I'll keep him alive, and we can always clear the pair of you using the tech in Night 4.
Tiruin
You're even more clear than webadict from a metagame perspective.
You've accepted webadict and myself as town, so you can be the official welcomer for TDS and hector13.
Use your ATD on Deus Asmoth.
After all, if he's a telepath, he'll only leave the house to perform the scumkill, and it doesn't look like it'll be hard to keep both of you alive through the rest of the game.
(This is assuming ATD's do not disappear, and instead last the whole game on the players they are on. If I am wrong about this, I guess I'll have to rethink this part).
Persus13
So you're a cutting edge scientist?
PM your tech to Tiruin, myself, webadict, and hector13.
If you're not a cutting edge scientist then you have to claim right now because your options for a non-mind-shielded, non-survivor role are shrinking by the minutes.
Leafsnail has conveniently outed himself as the survivor, so you're approaching town as it stands.
Leafsnail
You are the survivor.
It's easy to see now why you were so eager to avoid wasting an inspect on the kooks, and so happy to have non-agent inspects thrown at you.
Sounds like the scumteam cut you out of the loop. Sure must feel bad having such a poor handle on the roles of other players.
4maskwolf
Nobody knows what your role as far as I am aware, but you're probably town.
Send your fullclaim to hector13
webadict
Tiruin
doll
hector13
TheDarkStar
TheBiggerFish
Deus Asmoth knows the category of your role (presumably, either Find or Protect).
Claim right now and explain why you haven't claimed before.
The 'village of trust' appears to stand as:
webadict
Tiruin
doll
hector13
TDS
All of these players think all of these players are town.

[Leafsnail]

Don't PM anything to doll or webadict. They are not clear in any way.

Townie
Enchanter
Survivor
Scientist/Alien with a Double Mind Shield

If this is accurate then either Tiruin or Persus are lying. I guess it's possible that Persus is a survivor, although that would be a very stupid claim.

Leafsnail has conveniently outed himself as the survivor, so you're approaching town as it stands.
Leafsnail
You are the survivor.
It's easy to see now why you were so eager to avoid wasting an inspect on the kooks, and so happy to have non-agent inspects thrown at you.
Sounds like the scumteam cut you out of the loop. Sure must feel bad having such a poor handle on the roles of other players.

I am not a survivor. The reason why I was eager to avoid wasting inspects on kooks is because it's bad for the town to waste inspects.

[Leafsnail]

This feels like some kind of Trump-esque "post-truth" strategy from doll. Like if you say something often and forcefully enough people will believe you even if you have no basis for saying it.

[doll]

EBWOP: AGAIN:
4maskwolf
Your section should read:
4maskwolf
Nobody knows what your role as far as I am aware, but you're probably town.
Send your fullclaim to:
webadict
Tiruin
doll
hector13
TheDarkStar
After DA is cleared by Tiruin's continued existence, non-'village' targets become:
Leafsnail - alien survivor or VT
4maskwolf - unknown
Persus13 - mad scientist or mad scientist
TheBiggerFish - about to claim and have the category of his claim confirmed by DA.

Don't PM anything to doll or webadict. They are not clear in any way.

That ship has sailed.
Players could stop PMing things to me, but I don't think anyone other than you and I are prepared to actually commit to the sort of slog that kind a a methodological game would present, which I base mostly on that fact that they have PM'd so much to me.
Bonus note:
Tiruin
When I said 'suboptimal' I meant 'suboptimal from a random walk perspective' rather than actually suboptimal play.
(i.e. you would use at times use psychologically rather than mechanically safe play)

[doll]

This feels like some kind of Trump-esque "post-truth" strategy from doll. Like if you say something often and forcefully enough people will believe you even if you have no basis for saying it.

Outsider candidate? check
Makes lots of outrageous claims? check
Background in executive leadership? check
Strong use of multiple types of media? check
I guess that makes me the next King of the Mafia.

[webadict]

Don't PM anything to doll or webadict. They are not clear in any way.

Townie
Enchanter
Survivor
Scientist/Alien with a Double Mind Shield

If this is accurate then either Tiruin or Persus are lying. I guess it's possible that Persus is a survivor, although that would be a very stupid claim.

Leafsnail has conveniently outed himself as the survivor, so you're approaching town as it stands.
Leafsnail
You are the survivor.
It's easy to see now why you were so eager to avoid wasting an inspect on the kooks, and so happy to have non-agent inspects thrown at you.
Sounds like the scumteam cut you out of the loop. Sure must feel bad having such a poor handle on the roles of other players.

I am not a survivor. The reason why I was eager to avoid wasting inspects on kooks is because it's bad for the town to waste inspects.

Wait, what? I never claimed to be confirmed at all. I am more concerned that people are considering me confirmed, because I've done nothing to warrant it.

And why is Leafsnail a Survivor?

[4maskwolf]

Wait, what? I never claimed to be confirmed at all. I am more concerned that people are considering me confirmed, because I've done nothing to warrant it.

And why is Leafsnail a Survivor?

I must admit I'm as baffled about these things as webadict is.

[webadict]

Wait, what? I never claimed to be confirmed at all. I am more concerned that people are considering me confirmed, because I've done nothing to warrant it.

And why is Leafsnail a Survivor?

I must admit I'm as baffled about these things as webadict is.

Also, why would I give my role to hector? I like Tiruin better.

[Leafsnail]

@doll: Your claims are as follows:
- webadict, Tiruin, doll, hector13, TheDarkStar are all town
- 4maskwolf and Persus13 are probably town
- I am a survivor
So by process of elimination you are saying that the remaining dopplegangers are exactly Deus Asmoth and TheBiggerFish. Is that accurate? Are you going to build a case for why this is a plausible team?

[webadict]

@doll: Your claims are as follows:
- webadict, Tiruin, doll, hector13, TheDarkStar are all town
- 4maskwolf and Persus13 are probably town
- I am a survivor
So by process of elimination you are saying that the remaining dopplegangers are exactly Deus Asmoth and TheBiggerFish. Is that accurate? Are you going to build a case for why this is a plausible team?

This is actually a plausible team.

The best part is, Deus Asmoth could very well be a Telepath and a Dopp.

[doll]

@doll: Your claims are as follows:
- webadict, Tiruin, doll, hector13, TheDarkStar are all town
- 4maskwolf and Persus13 are probably town
- I am a survivor
So by process of elimination you are saying that the remaining dopplegangers are exactly Deus Asmoth and TheBiggerFish. Is that accurate? Are you going to build a case for why this is a plausible team?

DA either has a 'survive' on you or is scum with you. Either way, he shouldn't be visiting anyone and Tiruin can confirm that.
TheBiggerFish is as anti-town as he ever was.
Either has some role which over-rides his scummyness or he's scum with DA.

This is actually a really viable scumteam.
Thanks for that, Leafsnail, it really clears things up.

I'll build my huge wall of text to paint TBF and DA as 100% confirmed scum (to use IO's expression) in about twelve hours.

4maskwolf
You can send your role to one or all of those players, it shouldn't make a difference.
If it does, then that's probably more helpful than the negative effect of any doubt it casts on you.
As in all cases, do what you think is the right thing to do.