This is a
severely overpopulated Day 2.
Unfortunately, there are so many players whose chronic inactivity or unhelpfulness render them unreadable and/or useless that it's hard to justify a case on anyone who is actually contributing to the game.
As long as it is, I'm not doing any actual hunting in this post because I know that we're going to (or should be going to) lynch someone based on either inactivity (or unactivity, if it's TBF) or useful mechanical information will turn up and become the focus of the day.
On that note, I also have no useful mechanical information to offer you at this time.
doll: why did you kill IronyOwl?
RVS ended during D1.
Do you have an actual reason for asking this?
The same applies to all of your questions. You don't need to answer me (and shouldn't - this isn't RVS, and these questions don't help) since I'll be making a big long case on you with quote pyramids and all which, as IronyOwl correctly identified, makes people look a lot scummier than they are - which is fine, because I would
not mind you putting a little more thought into your responses before you post.
Webadict:Knowing Tiruin's meta, and knowing we know Tiruin's meta, why are you tunneling on her inactivity alone?
Because he
isn't tunneling Tiruin on
inactivity alone.
Inactivity implies
not posting. Tiruin did post.
Twice.
(Three times actually, but an empty extend is a post one can legitimately make without reading the thread so I don't have a problem with it).
Let's look at these posts of hers:
Umph x.x I extended without checking the later pages (now having done that, I have another two pages to catch up on due to work related busyness).
I'll catch up on my Saturday (Not-day-end in Mephansteras time) and make a post early on! Sorry, busy busy for only now 
Tiruin wrote a five minute post using the five minutes she apparently had spare, in which time she could have spent the five minutes necessary to read all of
two pages of mafia.
Even just posting like this is active-lurking, since it's not as if she is actually contributing to the game and there's no reason to cover up (or draw additional attention to) her inactivity.
Tiruin is a good enough player that a mistake like this is questionable.
But wait, there's more!
Hold on guys, I just got a telepathic message from Tiruin, let me write it down while it's still going.
...You seriously think anyone would believe I wrote- *ahem*- I write like that?!
Love you Webbywubs, but wat.
...If you can just bop me for my activity, that'd be nice, but work day = 'horrible Philippine connectivity' + '8 hour workday + traffic and everything included' 
I'm serious about my post tomorrow however. Thanks for the humor though!
...Man, I sound pedantic there. :I
Color me surprised that you're basically activelurking. Thanks for not helping. We can always play this game without you.
I'm actually keeping notes, silly
Y'know, the ol' "I'm offline and can't go online to Bay12 but screencap/otherwise people's stuffs so I can write about it later on".
In which writing the response may take time as I've a total of <7 posts, bunching up em all into big spots so people can easily check what I'ms aying and what I've noted.
Lots more actually.
Actually a great deal more, considering the restricted timescale she was claiming to have.
Surprisingly fast too.
Let's talk time for a moment:
Tiruin posted 128 of her own words,
with formatting, and split up webadict's post and cut out the fakequote etc. four minutes and eighteen seconds after webadict posted.
Based on the quote below, she did this in addition to either reading two pages of mafia and catching up, or actively monitoring the thread
without even bothering to read it.
I have another two pages to catch up on due to work related busyness
Now, that's hardly to be expected from a player who had spent the previous 23 hours working on a post (offline or otherwise) which she ended up throwing literally more than 48 hours of her hunting time into, and which she never posted.
TiruinYour broken promise has created a bottomless pool of misgivings casting doubt on any justification you might give for behavior on Day 1.
This pool has already swallowed up your Day 1 reads, as well as any earlier reads from Day 1 you might have had, as well as your opportunity for activity during Day 1.
Please post something useful.
4maskwolfThis section is for you.
I'm not going to pretend I want you lynched.
I am going to be honest that I want you to stop antagonizing a player who,
even in this game alone, has a history of responding aggressively and unhelpfully to unconscionably poor town games and meta shit-stirring like you are engaging in.
If you are going to attack a player,
explain why you think they are scum, then proceed.I'm of two minds when it comes to doll. On the one hand, lynching them would provide a wealth of information for the town to analyze tomorrow, due to how active they were with talking to everyone. On the other hand, I'm not convinced they're actually scum and having a player who's that active and makes things happen is good for the town.
You literally conclude this post with the equivalent of 'this player is contributing a huge (pro-town) amount to the day game' and yet the start is designed to avoid giving me the veneer of town that naked read would.
I'll throw my hat in with the extend
You're not voting right now. Who would you vote for?
Preliminarily, I'm going to say TBF because they have some level of interaction with other players (giving us the ability to look at how other players reacted to them) while pinging my scum-o-meter a bit and not being particularly helpful in finding scum or generating information to look at.
I'm going to refrain because I want to reread the thread with a fine-tooth comb, since some of the earlier posts I skimmed over during the my reading yesterday, and see if anything catches my attention.
You give a preliminary choice for a vote, but never actually vote them (so you don't actually consider them a preliminary choice).
Not only does not voting for TBF here make it harder to justify a vote for them in the future
and make them less likely to give out under pressure, it also fails to associate you with any sort of opinion or movement.
So I guess Doll's gimmick is to play in a really dumb way for 48 hours then recover? Whatever.
I have a pretty strong read that Shakerag is scum. Quite a lot of that is coming from my gut but I will try and explain it.His mentality, to me, seems to be "how can I avoid attention and conflict" rather than "how can I find scum" or "how will I go after this person who I think is scum".
This post was the one that first triggered my suspicions. I imagine this post took a good amount of time and effort to make, but there is basically nothing of actual substance in it (eg reads, accusations, relevant questions). It just has a safe vote on someone who is already taking shit from other people from their weird play with a straightforward question. In other words this post looks to me like Shakerag was trying to avoid standing out - a pretty big non-town tell in my eyes. You could call it active-lurking.
His other posts have had vague insinuations (eg
here in his response to me), but he always seems to stop short of explicitly expressing his own viewpoints. Again this seems to me like attention-avoiding behaviour.
How do you think the town should respond to you and I claiming kook in the short-, medium-, and long-term in this game? Say, D1 + N1, D2-N3, and D4+ respectively.
I don't think they should really do anything differently except not investigate us if they're agents (and maybe investigate us if they have kook bypassing inspections).
Cry me a river.
Erm...
Explain this. Nothing in this post is directed at you and only one line is directed at your friend doll, so why say this at all?
Besides casting doubt on the relationship between myself and webadict (which you never follow up on and so make useful), all you are doing here is needlessly posting about another player's needless post about the play of another player in an actual two-player interaction.
In other words;
Explain this. Nothing in this post is directed at you and only one line is directed at Leafsnail, so why say this at all?
Persus13: Hasn't posted a huge amount. He seems... honestly rather scummy to me, although not directly because of his contributions. The tone of his posts reminds me of me when I play scum and not of my previous games with him, being rather... conciliatory, I guess? He seems like he's trying not to make any enemies, and that got my attention. Also, he asked a question to fillipk that had already been answered when I'd asked the same thing, so I'm not sure how much attention he's paying to the actual game.
You vote Persus13, which is your day ending vote, but never follow up on it.
You also fail to follow up on it even when you post first thing D2.
You also don't switch to fillipk, even though you literally question IronyOwl about leaving their vote symbolically on TDS (isn't that what you are doing here?)
Deus Asmoth: Would you consider a townsided Lone Doppelganger to be lynchable?
What
possible reason is there to ask this question?
Do you have a secret role player which requires you to ask pointless questions and fill the thread with WIFOM and metagame based anxiety?
webadict: Is a wuba. But seriously, I need more games with webadict to actually get anything concrete out of his behavior. I've been rereading his posts for the last hour and while I have some theories about wuba, I don't have anything concrete as far as reads go because a lot of his behavior is out of my previous experience. Let's say "neutral, mild third-party suspicion" for now.
Leafsnail redux: Seeing as how my last Leafsnail read was completely botched by a screw-up on my end, here's my new read: neutral-slight town. He was the first to claim kook and did so early in the game, but ever since then I haven't seen anything that would convince me he's specifically town, since I don't have a good "town Leafsnail" baseline and he says here that he does his best to play the same way as town and scum, and especially with someone like Leafsnail I'd take anything they did with a grain of salt anyway.
These are some
amazing reads.
You've boldly stated that you don't have a read on webadict because you don't know his meta, even though if you're really spending hours reading his posts you could read a prior game of his and get a portrait of his playstyle. You've also said this in a game which has multiple new players who nobody has meta information on and who have played with nobody (or virtually nobody) here.
You've also concluded your Leafsnail read literally with 'but it's X so I won't commit to a read'. You might be thinking here "but didn't you do this yourself doll" - by your own admission, webadict is not playing how you would like them to play, so they clearly have made a mistake, which is the justification I gave for not reading Tiruin/webadict early in D1.
fillipk: Looking over his post and the accusations that have been made against him, I'm not sure what else I can add to the case against him. Yes, he looks suspicious, especially with the weirdness regarding the survivor claim. The main thing that pings my scum-o-meter, though, was already mentioned by me re: his reads list in my last reads post, so I'm not going to go over it. Scum read.
So why aren't you voting him here?
Is it because you like your symbolic vote on Persus13 (which you haven't followed up on)?
4mask:
IronyOwl: You're voting for yourself right now due to dicking around in a response to Ratty. Since I'm sure you don't want to end the day with that vote, who do you think is most deserving of it?
Probably fillipk for admittedly weird and panicky behavior, followed by voting a claimed Kook (the fact that we have two casts some doubt, but I imagine secondclaiming it is the ballsier move as scum) for really, really tepid reasons. TheDarkStar and Tiruin could use a prod for lurking, though obviously a vote at this point is going to be purely symbolic.
...
TheDarkStar: You know, fillipk has a case I can say is self-serving and tissue-thin. TheBiggerFish has activity I can claim has all the nutritional value of Fine Alpine Hand-Bottled Artisan Air. RattyB has shown himself enough for me to think he's a little twitchy. Tiruin's complained enough for me to note that she's vanished.
Wait wait wait, hold on a second. You're choosing to go for a purely symbolic vote one and a half hours before day ends, despite even acknowledging it as such, and pointing out there's a case against fillipk?
Yeah, symbolic votes are such an awful thing when your top scum pick is guaranteed to hang anyway.
Day 2
webadict: Are you going to be more useful than your first couple posts indicated?
Are you?
-Insert random bullshit here-
Oh don't even start. Your posts today have been a) talking to a dead guy and b) making a useless comment about Tiruin's posting patterns that only serves to make it clear you haven't been here in a while, because she _always_ plays like this. With the exception of my question to you, I'm actually trying to get reactions from people and see what people think, which is, if nothing else, a good start to discussion.
And your posts today have been: a) RVS questions b) flinging shit at a player who is known to respond to such and thus filling the thread with combined drivel. At least webadict has the stated position (from RVS in D1 even) that this sort of shitflinging is unproductive, even if he engages in it (ironically or otherwise).
Nobody is going to react to your questions except to wonder 'why is he asking such pointless questions on Day 2 when we're waiting to see if there's any more actually important information to work on'.
To clarify: I've run my head against the Tiruin brick wall before to absolutely no effect. She can be the primary lynch candidate and she'll still make maybe one post in the entire day to save her life, plus two more promising content tomorrow. Be my guest to try and guilt her or threaten her into posting, but there's also other things you could be doing with your time that would be more productive.
Yeah, like not post while he waits for the various inactive players to make an appearance, or not post while he waits for someone to out mechanical information, or fling shit aimlessly at the few players already active in the day like you have?
I must admit I'd hoped for more from someone famed as "the best mafia player on the boards" than a raging incompetent who spends most of his time trying to act mysterious.
Shit like this, which only serves to distance you from each other's words and make it harder to actually work together in the future; whether or not you are aligned and whether or not this farce touches on you consciously, you're still working against both your and webadict's interests. Mine too, unless you're both scum or w/e, which is why I've produced this wall; to ask you to stop it.
Especially since one of them is Leafsnail.
My quotes are out of order and this is obviously from D1 but again, this really does add nothing and actually encourages players
not to read Leafsnail, which is never good for the town (except in some very rare corner cases).
In other words, I appreciate your activity and hope that you continue to post.
I think doll is definitely scum, but i don't know yet if webadict is on doll's side intentionally, or because he was fooled.
I don't want to justify this with a response but since I'm going to need your vote later in the game (since no scum in their right minds are going to kill a player like you),
why do you think I'm scum and
why aren't you voting me?
I guess I've got to write about hector, TDS and TBF some more, but before I do so, I have general questions for the town:
Since there may be a hivemind, how should we modify our behavior to play around that (if we are to do so)?Alternatively:
Do you have any mechanical information you would like to share with the town right now (and which it serves your/the town's interests to have you outing yourself to do so)?
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