Shakerag:IronyOwl: You haven't said much of anything on the whole doll gambit business. What's your analysis of both doll's actions and the general response to them?
I'm generally not a fan of super secret gambits, because I'm generally of the opinion that super secret gambits fail to catch scum and then get you lynched for doing weird shit that doesn't make sense to do as town. Even in this case, you'll notice doll's case on fillipk and reads in general have nothing to do with publicly falseclaiming exterminator. In short, even doll thinks doll's gambit doesn't catch scum.
That said, it was a superb RVS booster and it's been followed up by a ton of actual content, so I'm inclined to label his play as "brilliantly flamboyant" rather than something less charitable about being a lying jackass. I'm not entirely sure he's town, but if he's scum and wins he probably earned it.
I'm honestly rather surprised at how chill people have been about it. We've had a handful of prodders, but nobody seems to have really taken the easy bait and ridden a doll vote until Day's end. Shakerag and Leafsnail were I think the only ones voting him, not that strongly either, and they both swapped off as soon as he started doing things.
TheBiggerFish:@IronyOwl: It's not that I'm not going to start playing till D2, it's that I like to have some form of solid information to go on to scumhunt. Like investigative results, or flips.
Given that playing and scumhunting are rather intertwined, and that solid information usually only functions in the context of scumhunting, I'd argue you're only playing by a very fine technicality. Like playing D&D by passing your turn each turn. Present, yes, relevant... eh, technically you're a tile blocker and flanking totem, so from a purely mechanical standpoint, yes.
But it's hard to argue that you're a
player.I believe I did address their loadedness. See:
Pretty much, word choice. Connotations and stuff. But either way, I don't think I should need to do anything about the focus on myself except play - that is, that what I'm already doing - at least, what I'm doing right now - should, you know, prove the suspicions groundless. Actively "shifting focus off" myself implies that there are reasons for focus to be on myself. And honestly, it was somewhat of a complaint that hector was tunneling (at least IMO).
You inadequately addressed it when specifically asked about it, but you avoided the bull's horns like they had your name on them.
As an analogy, suppose you asked me "Gee IronyOwl, did your partner tell you to tunnel me D1 knowing my game is weakest then?" What would you think of the following responses?
"That question's loaded as all hell, so no thanks."
"That question's, like, word choice. It has connotations. It's asking if I'm just doing this because somebody told me to, which I'm, like, not."
"Well now that you specifically asked me about it, that question's, like, word choice. It has connotations. It's asking if I'm just doing this because somebody told me to, which I'm, like, not."
"No, I told myself to tunnel you D1 when your game is 'weakest' because I'm pretty sure D2+ will go exactly the same except then you'll be waiting on 'more' flips and inspects instead of doing your goddamned job."
"Actually, my partner thinks we should leave you as dead weight and focus on more middling targets, people who might be making exploitable mistakes but could also be dangerous, as opposed to somebody who refuses to scumhunt except by waiting for Agent inspections to come through."
Because for me personally, the first one displays blatant, flagrant cowardice that no townie should ever have, the second is limpwristed and debatable, the third is that but also lazy and disinterested, and the fourth and fifth are actual answers. I'm sure you can understand by concern that you went with #1: Cowardice, followed by #3: Delayed Meh, avoiding 4 and 5 like the plague.
RattyB: Your word choice is very suspicious.
Why is fillipk "more of a threat", exactly? How is fillipk more of a threat?
See, look at this. Was this really that hard? You have zero roleflips and zero inspection results, yet you still noticed something weird and began investigating it.
fillipk:Definitely suspicious in my mind, in fact i want to see how he flips Hector13
So... you think he's scum for abandoning his cushy, lazy case on TBF for a cushy, lazy case on you? Why bother?
4mask:IronyOwl: You're voting for yourself right now due to dicking around in a response to Ratty. Since I'm sure you don't want to end the day with that vote, who do you think is most deserving of it?
Probably fillipk for admittedly weird and panicky behavior, followed by voting a claimed Kook (the fact that we have two casts some doubt, but I imagine secondclaiming it is the ballsier move as scum) for really, really tepid reasons. TheDarkStar and Tiruin could use a prod for lurking, though obviously a vote at this point is going to be purely symbolic.
webadict:RE:TBF: Because he's too easy of a target. He's gonna attract attention tomorrow, anyway.
RE:Shakerag: Because I thought it was funny.
RE: Voting yourself: Uh... okay? Is it because you found scum?
But why 3 specifically?
Fair enough.
Oh? I take it you really...
take scum seriously HAHAHAHAHA really though what does that mean.
That wasn't aimed at you specifically, it was just located beneath the last reply. But if you're curious, I didn't have any good targets at that point; revoting TBF felt lazy and I needed more time to properly evaluate everything.
I am also sad because people don't think I'm scum. I'm usually under a lot of suspicion, and here I am, being super secretive and fishy and audacious (with a hint of scandalous), and no one even bats an eye... Sheesh. I just don't even.
If it makes you feel any better, I briefly considered that doll decided to be a D1 lynch jackass, and as his scumbuddy you steered him towards a much more profitable way to play.
doll:IronyOwl
Are you going to vote another player?
Yeah I intended to post around 24 hours earlier than this, when it would have been useful for Today. Geez, you leave a lazy vote on a player that happens to be yourself and suddenly everyone wants to know if you're going to vote somebody else.
Tiruin:Love you Webbywubs, but wat.
...If you can just bop me for my activity, that'd be nice, but work day = 'horrible Philippine connectivity' + '8 hour workday + traffic and everything included' 
You have my eternal wincing sympathy at your internet, but you know, if you have time to poke back at webs, you probably have time for
something productive instead. Even a simple comment on the current situation might be better than letting the Day run out without doing anything.
hector:IronyOwl
Why do you think leaving your vote on yourself at this point is the best place for it to be?
I mostly answered this to webs, but because I didn't have a real place for it and assumed I'd be back to give it a better home more quickly than I was.
rattyB:Sorry for the long post, and being such a Noob.
I almost called you doll. My mind is clearly going in my old age.
That's a fairly short post but with a long-winded component. Why didn't you mention this reasoning at the time, or question him about his behavior before other people did?
TheDarkStar: You know, fillipk has a case I can say is self-serving and tissue-thin. TheBiggerFish has activity I can claim has all the nutritional value of Fine Alpine Hand-Bottled Artisan Air. RattyB has shown himself enough for me to think he's a little twitchy. Tiruin's complained enough for me to note that she's vanished.
You never really showed up in the first place. I do hope you're more active D2, because otherwise I'm going to find it difficult to justify lynching somebody who's given me the chance to find them scummy over somebody who hasn't.
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