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hector: I didn't say that I think TBF is more likely to be a third party than scum. I still think scum is the most likely option, but if I'm wrong about that he's almost certainly third party.
If he happens to flip town, the town won't be better off, clearly.
Anyway, cynical!hector would think that you're twisting an argument to suit your read, in both cases.
Perhaps cynical hector should put some effort into explaining why he feels that way instead of making blanket statements and leaving it at that.
Well for starters you say you're open-minded about TBF not being scum, but that if he's not scum he's third-party, and third-party should be killed anyway.
I didn't say that. The original point that you questioned me on was when I said that "TBF may not be scum", which you seem to have interpreted as me saying that I thought there was a good chance that he wasn't, when I was raising the possibility of it in reference to the fact that regardless of his alignment (which I considered most likely to be scum), his play at the time was not town-oriented, he showed no inclination to change this fact, and I see no reason to leave such a player alive any longer than absolutely necessary.
And yes, in almost every case a third party should also be lynched when given the opportunity to do so, especially one playing with the same anti-town mindset that TBF was during D1.
Of the third parties in the game, there's a town/mafia-ally, a cultist, like four flavours of serial killer and the survivor. There is exactly one of those that I wouldn't want dead, and there's no reason why that role would be played with an anti town mindset (hint; it's the town-sided Rogue).
Basically "I want TBF dead regardless". You were voting him on D1, with no evidence other than your respective day game's, during which he hasn't really deviated from his normal day play ie it's pants. I don't think the town should be mentioning TP's D1, so asked about why you were citing that as a reason for voting someone. Poorly, obviously...
And as I've already explained multiple times I in no way cited thinking that he was a third party as a reason to lynch him. I cited his anti-town play as a reason to lynch him and acknowledged that while it wasn't a guarantee that he was scum, it did indicate that he was in an anti-town alignment.
It's also odd that you don't think third parties should be discussed during day 1, considering that there was a hell of a lot of mentions about third party roles thanks to Doll, but you don't seem to have raised any objections about that.
I unvoted him after I calmed down and realised this is how TBF plays the game. I would've hoped that someone who was thinking I was a bit shady might have a little look-see at TBF's previous games to either confirm I'm backing off for a legit reason or if I'm talking nonsense, especially since your case on him is that he clearly doesn't have the town's interest at heart because of his poor play. You obviously didn't, and kept on with your case that his play isn't town-oriented, ergo he's not town. Which is stupid. See: D1 lynch, fillipk.
I'm sure you have a point here, but I don't know what it's supposed to be. His play wasn't poor, it was lazy and had no interest in aiding the town over his own interests. That's anti town, that's a valid reason to lynch someone, and to claim otherwise is idiotic.
So yeah, at this point you appear to be indulging in confirmation bias - TBF isn't a crap player he's just not town, hector didn't miscommunicate his thoughts, he might be trying to misrepresent me - and that doesn't sit well with me.
So it's confirmation bias that I think that when someone joins a game of mafia they're aware of how the game is played and capable of pouring water out of a boot that has instructions for doing so on the bottom of the heel?
That's an interesting way to put things, seeing as you were the one to bring up the issue of TPs on D1 in regards to your vote. You said if TBF wasn't scum, he was a TP, which - as implied by my questions - struck me as an odd thing to be worrying about for town on D1. It doesn't even look like you considered the possibility of him being incompetent town.
Why would I consider that as a possibility? TBF has played the game before, he knows how it works. And again, I didn't bring up third parties as a worry at all during day 1. I said that TBF was clearly not playing from a town orientated mindset and if not scum he was most likely a third party. You seem determined to project the impression that I'm hunting for third parties over scum, and I'd like to know why.
See above: his meta.
I'm not saying you're hunting TPs, I'm wondering why you would cite "his play isn't town so he's either scum or TP" as a reason to lynch someone on D1 when they're pretty much playing the game the way they always do.
Are you saying that someone playing with an anti-town mindset should not be identified as someone with an anti-town alignment and should not be lynched? Because it sounds to me like that's what you're saying, and that's frankly worrying.
Certainly, there were a number of players on D1 who could fit the bill of not having the town's best interests at heart. TDS posted a handful of times, Tiruin promised a reads list before day end that never came, I tunneled on TBF for ~30 hours, IronyOwl was voting for themselves at the end of the day; the list goes on.
Why did TBF deserve to be voted over these other players on the terms you settled on?
Tiruin and TDS were had low activity. I don't know what similarity you think IronyOwl has with the others you mentioned. TBF had a reasonable number of posts, but had made it clear that he had no interest in contributing any information to the town that he could avoid doing. Active players that are part taking in scummy behaviour are a higher priority for lynching as far as I'm concerned over inactive players or whatever you're accusing IronyOwl of.
I tuned out toward the end of D1, so I thought he'd left his vote on himself at the conclusion of D1, so that's nonsense now.
Anyway, I pointed out some anti-town play from other players, because that's why you were voting TBF. Has his play now been upgraded to scummy?
Do you see a difference between scummy behaviour and anti-town behaviour? And as I said, lack of activity is not the same as actual activity that is scummy.
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