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[speciesunkn0wn]

So, Comrades! For third year of fortress, (Second year report hopefully out today), think we breach first cavern layer and make safe place/FB traps? Or begin work on GULAG pit? The dorfs will be beginning work on defensive wall and caravan guiding trench in the latter half of second year.

[Sanctume]

GULAG needs guests

[speciesunkn0wn]

GULAG needs guests

GULAG will get guests, we need to make it marvel of engineering. And get red dyes for those fighting working in GULAG's cloaks. And FB bone armor.

[Timeless Bob]

GULAG needs guests

GULAG will get guests, we need to make it marvel of engineering. And get red dyes for those fighting working in GULAG's cloaks. And FB bone armor.

No no no... such special treatment is not communist way!  Unless all with same work get same treatment and same supplies, no-one gets it.  Store red cloaks and FB armor until enough for ALL GULAG residents.

[WillowLuman]

Oh my word, the nostalgia. Posting to Watch

[speciesunkn0wn]

GULAG needs guests

GULAG will get guests, we need to make it marvel of engineering. And get red dyes for those fighting working in GULAG's cloaks. And FB bone armor.

No no no... such special treatment is not communist way!  Unless all with same work get same treatment and same supplies, no-one gets it.  Store red cloaks and FB armor until enough for ALL GULAG residents.

Some of GULAG residents be the capitalists and fascists. They don't deserve equal treatment unless become communist.

What is quickest way to get red dyes?

Oh my word, the nostalgia. Posting to Watch

Welcome Comrade!

[Sanctume]

What is quickest way to get red dyes?

QSP clothing onto 1 tile.  Pit a capitalist from 10 20 30z onto tile.

[Timeless Bob]

GULAG needs guests

GULAG will get guests, we need to make it marvel of engineering. And get red dyes for those fighting working in GULAG's cloaks. And FB bone armor.

No no no... such special treatment is not communist way!  Unless all with same work get same treatment and same supplies, no-one gets it.  Store red cloaks and FB armor until enough for ALL GULAG residents.

Some of GULAG residents be the capitalists and fascists. They don't deserve equal treatment unless become communist.

Yes, this is logical. 

Capitalist pig dogs (Cpg) and Facist warmonger scum (Fws) must be excluded from *official person (citizen)* and *official person (non-citizen)* status.
Without *official person (non-citizen)* status, any Cpd & Fws are therefore classified as *Non-person* who must automatically apply for *official person (alien)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG.
Any *official person (alien)* may apply for *official person (non-citizen)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG as *official person (alien)*.
Any *official person (non-citizen)* may apply for [i]*official person (citizen)*[/i] status by surviving for ten years in GULAG. 
Of course, *official person (citizen)* will join/rejoin society as humble Communist tovarishch, ready to work tirelessly for glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome, as is right and natural.

Any children born to a *non-person* or *official person (alien)* immediately become Ward of the State (alien) and are removed to Indoctrination Facility.
Any Ward of the State (alien) who survives to maturity should be awarded the *official person (alien)* status and returned to GULAG for further "testing" and indoctrination.
Of course, any children born to an *official person (non-citizen)* also become Ward of the State (citizen) and taken to Indoctrination Facility until they reach age of majority and can be given the *official person (citizen)* status.

It is only right and logical that current Citizens of RedStar be given immediate *Official person (citizen)* status to avoid future confusion.

Addendum: Comrades with *Official person (citizen)* status may lose such benefit through thoughtcrime or criminal action, and reclassified as *Official person (non-citizen)*, which earns them a place in hierarchy and population of GULAG.

To help this, each *Official person (citizen)* should carefully observe their fellow comrades for deviation from Communist Ideals in speech or action, and quickly inform nearest *Official Person (Authority)* if deviation is suspected.  As One we shall prevail, for the glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome!

[speciesunkn0wn]

What is quickest way to get red dyes?

QSP clothing onto 1 tile.  Pit a capitalist from 10 20 30z onto tile.

Is that even possible?

GULAG needs guests

GULAG will get guests, we need to make it marvel of engineering. And get red dyes for those fighting working in GULAG's cloaks. And FB bone armor.

No no no... such special treatment is not communist way!  Unless all with same work get same treatment and same supplies, no-one gets it.  Store red cloaks and FB armor until enough for ALL GULAG residents.

Some of GULAG residents be the capitalists and fascists. They don't deserve equal treatment unless become communist.

Yes, this is logical. 

Capitalist pig dogs (Cpg) and Facist warmonger scum (Fws) must be excluded from *official person (citizen)* and *official person (non-citizen)* status.
Without *official person (non-citizen)* status, any Cpd & Fws are therefore classified as *Non-person* who must automatically apply for *official person (alien)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG.
Any *official person (alien)* may apply for *official person (non-citizen)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG as *official person (alien)*.
Any *official person (non-citizen)* may apply for [i]*official person (citizen)*[/i] status by surviving for ten years in GULAG. 
Of course, *official person (citizen)* will join/rejoin society as humble Communist tovarishch, ready to work tirelessly for glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome, as is right and natural.

Any children born to a *non-person* or *official person (alien)* immediately become Ward of the State (alien) and are removed to Indoctrination Facility.
Any Ward of the State (alien) who survives to maturity should be awarded the *official person (alien)* status and returned to GULAG for further "testing" and indoctrination.
Of course, any children born to an *official person (non-citizen)* also become Ward of the State (citizen) and taken to Indoctrination Facility until they reach age of majority and can be given the *official person (citizen)* status.

It is only right and logical that current Citizens of RedStar be given immediate *Official person (citizen)* status to avoid future confusion.

Addendum: Comrades with *Official person (citizen)* status may lose such benefit through thoughtcrime or criminal action, and reclassified as *Official person (non-citizen)*, which earns them a place in hierarchy and population of GULAG.

To help this, each *Official person (citizen)* should carefully observe their fellow comrades for deviation from Communist Ideals in speech or action, and quickly inform nearest *Official Person (Authority)* if deviation is suspected.  As One we shall prevail, for the glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome!

I love this Comrade. Would be tricky to implement, but when has that stopped the almighty dorfs?

I need to make more watch-lists even with non-dwarfed peeps.

I also need to put every dwarf into a military squad... Before I forget!

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT FROM MOTHER MOUNTAIN HOME
Comrades! Tovarishch! Grand United Liberation Army Gladiatorial (GULAG) pit needs most communist volunteer dorf to begin work on GULAG and to be the eyes and ears of Mother Mountainhome and all of RedStar, and re-trainer of any who commit thoughtcrime and other criminal activity that are then placed under command of volunteer.
END OF OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

[Timeless Bob]

OOC: (Out of Character)

The most troublesome would be in separating sentient children from their parents, but if you create an airlock system with food and tables and a statue on one side and a single bedroom in the middle, then by forbidding/unforbidding doors and assigning the bedroom to new toddlers that start wandering around, we can effectively cause them to corral themselves into the Institute and away from their undeserving parents.  Non-sentient offspring are more easily penned in the Indoctrination facility through a different set of doors.  Since animal non-persons who are born in the fortress are immediately tame, setting them as able to become pets but locked in with the sentient young should lead to them to naturally becoming pets of said children, leading to happy thoughts.  If the age of maturity is set to 16, and children become "adult" dwarves by age 12, then there's 4 years where they can be taught the rudiments of skills needed in the Fortress outside.  Once they turn 16, then they either get the "official person (alien)" status, which allows them to be returned to the GULAG or the full "official person (citizen)" status and a bunk in the general workhouse.  I imagine pets walking around with "official person (alien)" status, held in a protected area of GULAG, able to be visited by their owners at any time, or even just sitting around in a cage next to their owner's bed, ready to give them happy thoughts.

Since what I'm proposing is a form of "segregated society", it will actually keep the Fortress alive if something like an FB or some undead menace decides to kill off one section or another.  As soon as the menace is defeated or leaves, the other segregated societies will be able to repopulate the suddenly empty area.

[speciesunkn0wn]

OOC: (Out of Character)

The most troublesome would be in separating sentient children from their parents, but if you create an airlock system with food and tables and a statue on one side and a single bedroom in the middle, then by forbidding/unforbidding doors and assigning the bedroom to new toddlers that start wandering around, we can effectively cause them to corral themselves into the Institute and away from their undeserving parents.  Non-sentient offspring are more easily penned in the Indoctrination facility through a different set of doors.  Since animal non-persons who are born in the fortress are immediately tame, setting them as able to become pets but locked in with the sentient young should lead to them to naturally becoming pets of said children, leading to happy thoughts.  If the age of maturity is set to 16, and children become "adult" dwarves by age 12, then there's 4 years where they can be taught the rudiments of skills needed in the Fortress outside.  Once they turn 16, then they either get the "official person (alien)" status, which allows them to be returned to the GULAG or the full "official person (citizen)" status and a bunk in the general workhouse.  I imagine pets walking around with "official person (alien)" status, held in a protected area of GULAG, able to be visited by their owners at any time, or even just sitting around in a cage next to their owner's bed, ready to give them happy thoughts.

Since what I'm proposing is a form of "segregated society", it will actually keep the Fortress alive if something like an FB or some undead menace decides to kill off one section or another.  As soon as the menace is defeated or leaves, the other segregated societies will be able to repopulate the suddenly empty area.

Hmm...Perhaps. I'd need to set it underground though, so I could carve all the walls and floors with images of our fortress symbol.

[Timeless Bob]

OOC: (Out of Character)

The most troublesome would be in separating sentient children from their parents, but if you create an airlock system with food and tables and a statue on one side and a single bedroom in the middle, then by forbidding/unforbidding doors and assigning the bedroom to new toddlers that start wandering around, we can effectively cause them to corral themselves into the Institute and away from their undeserving parents.  Non-sentient offspring are more easily penned in the Indoctrination facility through a different set of doors.  Since animal non-persons who are born in the fortress are immediately tame, setting them as able to become pets but locked in with the sentient young should lead to them to naturally becoming pets of said children, leading to happy thoughts.  If the age of maturity is set to 16, and children become "adult" dwarves by age 12, then there's 4 years where they can be taught the rudiments of skills needed in the Fortress outside.  Once they turn 16, then they either get the "official person (alien)" status, which allows them to be returned to the GULAG or the full "official person (citizen)" status and a bunk in the general workhouse.  I imagine pets walking around with "official person (alien)" status, held in a protected area of GULAG, able to be visited by their owners at any time, or even just sitting around in a cage next to their owner's bed, ready to give them happy thoughts.

Since what I'm proposing is a form of "segregated society", it will actually keep the Fortress alive if something like an FB or some undead menace decides to kill off one section or another.  As soon as the menace is defeated or leaves, the other segregated societies will be able to repopulate the suddenly empty area.

Hmm...Perhaps. I'd need to set it underground though, so I could carve all the walls and floors with images of our fortress symbol.

True.  Or set it up as a vast multi-level building complex on the surface of the embark map.  Perhaps living underground is a sign of status too - the closer to the surface, the lower the status.  Give each status level after non-person 5 layers of ground to inhabit and *official person (citizens)* might be down around level 15 to 20+.  The surface could be dedicated to the GULAG complex, which itself could be built up to a max of +5 or so layers from the surface.  Dwarven citizens would have to ascend to the ghetto of GULAG to get in some bloodsport fun.

[speciesunkn0wn]

OOC: (Out of Character)

The most troublesome would be in separating sentient children from their parents, but if you create an airlock system with food and tables and a statue on one side and a single bedroom in the middle, then by forbidding/unforbidding doors and assigning the bedroom to new toddlers that start wandering around, we can effectively cause them to corral themselves into the Institute and away from their undeserving parents.  Non-sentient offspring are more easily penned in the Indoctrination facility through a different set of doors.  Since animal non-persons who are born in the fortress are immediately tame, setting them as able to become pets but locked in with the sentient young should lead to them to naturally becoming pets of said children, leading to happy thoughts.  If the age of maturity is set to 16, and children become "adult" dwarves by age 12, then there's 4 years where they can be taught the rudiments of skills needed in the Fortress outside.  Once they turn 16, then they either get the "official person (alien)" status, which allows them to be returned to the GULAG or the full "official person (citizen)" status and a bunk in the general workhouse.  I imagine pets walking around with "official person (alien)" status, held in a protected area of GULAG, able to be visited by their owners at any time, or even just sitting around in a cage next to their owner's bed, ready to give them happy thoughts.

Since what I'm proposing is a form of "segregated society", it will actually keep the Fortress alive if something like an FB or some undead menace decides to kill off one section or another.  As soon as the menace is defeated or leaves, the other segregated societies will be able to repopulate the suddenly empty area.

Hmm...Perhaps. I'd need to set it underground though, so I could carve all the walls and floors with images of our fortress symbol.

True.  Or set it up as a vast multi-level building complex on the surface of the embark map.  Perhaps living underground is a sign of status too - the closer to the surface, the lower the status.  Give each status level after non-person 5 layers of ground to inhabit and *official person (citizens)* might be down around level 15 to 20+.  The surface could be dedicated to the GULAG complex, which itself could be built up to a max of +5 or so layers from the surface.  Dwarven citizens would have to ascend to the ghetto of GULAG to get in some bloodsport fun.

Nah. We build city on surface!

[Glass]

GULAG needs guests

GULAG will get guests, we need to make it marvel of engineering. And get red dyes for those fighting working in GULAG's cloaks. And FB bone armor.

No no no... such special treatment is not communist way!  Unless all with same work get same treatment and same supplies, no-one gets it.  Store red cloaks and FB armor until enough for ALL GULAG residents.

Some of GULAG residents be the capitalists and fascists. They don't deserve equal treatment unless become communist.

Yes, this is logical. 

Capitalist pig dogs (Cpg) and Facist warmonger scum (Fws) must be excluded from *official person (citizen)* and *official person (non-citizen)* status.
Without *official person (non-citizen)* status, any Cpd & Fws are therefore classified as *Non-person* who must automatically apply for *official person (alien)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG.
Any *official person (alien)* may apply for *official person (non-citizen)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG as *official person (alien)*.
Any *official person (non-citizen)* may apply for [i]*official person (citizen)*[/i] status by surviving for ten years in GULAG. 
Of course, *official person (citizen)* will join/rejoin society as humble Communist tovarishch, ready to work tirelessly for glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome, as is right and natural.

Any children born to a *non-person* or *official person (alien)* immediately become Ward of the State (alien) and are removed to Indoctrination Facility.
Any Ward of the State (alien) who survives to maturity should be awarded the *official person (alien)* status and returned to GULAG for further "testing" and indoctrination.
Of course, any children born to an *official person (non-citizen)* also become Ward of the State (citizen) and taken to Indoctrination Facility until they reach age of majority and can be given the *official person (citizen)* status.

It is only right and logical that current Citizens of RedStar be given immediate *Official person (citizen)* status to avoid future confusion.

Addendum: Comrades with *Official person (citizen)* status may lose such benefit through thoughtcrime or criminal action, and reclassified as *Official person (non-citizen)*, which earns them a place in hierarchy and population of GULAG.

To help this, each *Official person (citizen)* should carefully observe their fellow comrades for deviation from Communist Ideals in speech or action, and quickly inform nearest *Official Person (Authority)* if deviation is suspected.  As One we shall prevail, for the glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome!

*Reads billboard with above announcement*

*Groans under breath, trying to make sure that nobody hears it*

*Gets back to work trying to avoid accusations of capitalism*


OOC
It would be exceedingly humorous if there were some character who constantly and blatantly disregarded all of the rules of being Communist and repeatedly and absurdly managed to get away with it. I'm pretty sure that that was the role Erin had back at Blazecooks, and while I hope that this could be his role now (i.e. comic relief and scapegoat), I don't expect that kind of mercy.

[speciesunkn0wn]

GULAG needs guests

GULAG will get guests, we need to make it marvel of engineering. And get red dyes for those fighting working in GULAG's cloaks. And FB bone armor.

No no no... such special treatment is not communist way!  Unless all with same work get same treatment and same supplies, no-one gets it.  Store red cloaks and FB armor until enough for ALL GULAG residents.

Some of GULAG residents be the capitalists and fascists. They don't deserve equal treatment unless become communist.

Yes, this is logical. 

Capitalist pig dogs (Cpg) and Facist warmonger scum (Fws) must be excluded from *official person (citizen)* and *official person (non-citizen)* status.
Without *official person (non-citizen)* status, any Cpd & Fws are therefore classified as *Non-person* who must automatically apply for *official person (alien)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG.
Any *official person (alien)* may apply for *official person (non-citizen)* status by surviving ten years in GULAG as *official person (alien)*.
Any *official person (non-citizen)* may apply for [i]*official person (citizen)*[/i] status by surviving for ten years in GULAG. 
Of course, *official person (citizen)* will join/rejoin society as humble Communist tovarishch, ready to work tirelessly for glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome, as is right and natural.

Any children born to a *non-person* or *official person (alien)* immediately become Ward of the State (alien) and are removed to Indoctrination Facility.
Any Ward of the State (alien) who survives to maturity should be awarded the *official person (alien)* status and returned to GULAG for further "testing" and indoctrination.
Of course, any children born to an *official person (non-citizen)* also become Ward of the State (citizen) and taken to Indoctrination Facility until they reach age of majority and can be given the *official person (citizen)* status.

It is only right and logical that current Citizens of RedStar be given immediate *Official person (citizen)* status to avoid future confusion.

Addendum: Comrades with *Official person (citizen)* status may lose such benefit through thoughtcrime or criminal action, and reclassified as *Official person (non-citizen)*, which earns them a place in hierarchy and population of GULAG.

To help this, each *Official person (citizen)* should carefully observe their fellow comrades for deviation from Communist Ideals in speech or action, and quickly inform nearest *Official Person (Authority)* if deviation is suspected.  As One we shall prevail, for the glory of RedStar and Mother Mountainhome!

*Reads billboard with above announcement*

*Groans under breath, trying to make sure that nobody hears it*

*Gets back to work trying to avoid accusations of capitalism*


OOC
It would be exceedingly humorous if there were some character who constantly and blatantly disregarded all of the rules of being Communist and repeatedly and absurdly managed to get away with it. I'm pretty sure that that was the role Erin had back at Blazecooks, and while I hope that this could be his role now (i.e. comic relief and scapegoat), I don't expect that kind of mercy.

Are you volunteering, Comrade?