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[Nilbert]

Hello all!  This is my first time starting a new topic, so hope all works well!

I have been managing dwarves for the last couple of years and am a big fan of the tavern addition and visitors.  In my present fort, Stabcaves, I have for the last ten years employed a mercenary by the name of "Jalew Flaxendates the Good Heaven" a human mace lord.  He's a ninety one year old legendary mace man who is incredibly agile and strong.  Guess no old age home for ol' Jalew, but he may be seeing Heaven soon...  For years, my militia was three individuals, two dwarves and old Jalew.  Whenever anything nasty arrived, werelizards, goblins, kobolds, buzzards, these three would march out and commence the slaughter.  Many injuries, but old Jalew kept on ticking.

Well, after ten years of brave service and a successful marriage/breeding program to develop dwarf clans, I have decided to reorganize the military to draft all non-clan dwarves and citizens.  Now I need a nice goblin siege for the new army to get slaughtered by... oops... I mean prove their valor. 

In doing so, I checked out ol' Jalew's relationships.  He's married!  Hmmm...  I began to think if it would be possible for Jalew to start his own clan before he 'retires' to the burial chamber.

This has led me to a question.  Has anyone had a spouse of a mercenary or other visitor show up as a visitor to the fort?  In other words, is there any hope that Jalew's not so young bride may show up one day and petition for citizenship or as a mercenary?  Then, if she did arrive and was a mercenary, would she actually have children and would they be citizens?  Note, I am assuming that in DF a ninety year old human woman can have a baby (my question is if a mercenary can have a baby; don't think anyone wants to think too much on a ninety year old having a baby...).  I have also noticed that some of my dwarven migrants show up and have spouses listed that don't arrive.  Has anyone had one of these mystery spouses show up as a visitor?  Thanks!

[Fleeting Frames]

For the second part, her children would indeed be treated as fort-born children.

[PatrikLundell]

Yes, I've had merc spouses arrive and petition for residence. I don't accept mercs anymore, since they won't become citizens, but this was early on. In fact, my main criterion for accepting an entertainer/scholar is that it's married to a member of the opposite sex and the spouse has a decent chance of visiting my fortress (legends mode stating the spouse is a scholar/entertainer and moves around between places).
I've also had non dwarven residents produce offspring (it's a lot easier when they're full citizens, so you can get them to concentrate on procreation).

[Nilbert]

Thanks Fleeting Frames and PatrikLundell!  I have yet to have a non-dwarf resident produce offspring.  Maybe old Jalew will be the first...

[Libash_Thunderhead]

Yeah I saw that a couple of days ago.

Also some human died of age shortly after she gave birth to a baby with a dwarven name. Other dwarves fed the baby until they could eat on their own.


By the way, has anyone seen goblin or elf offsprings?

[Fleeting Frames]

While I have not, I recently looked at random 10 elves I accepted in testfort in nine century world, and among those 10 half had a suitable marriage candidate going by age only in that pool of 10. So, while harder it should be doable if you get a more than just a few - though in that case, you may not need to have them breed

[Thisfox]

Has anyone had a visiting scholar or entertainer (or even mercenary) give birth whilst visiting? I've not heard of any visitors giving birth, other than my own incident many years ago when the Outpost Liaison gave birth to a baby girl and left my fort to bring her up.

Elf babies are no doubt adorable.

[PatrikLundell]

I've had goblin and human citizen kids, but not elven ones (nor animal people ones, which isn't surprising given that I think the total non major race visitor count is 2, one of which was a plump helmet man merc).
I've never had any visitor give birth.

[Nilbert]

I too have tried to find matches for elves and goblins for marriage but the age differences are so great.  Good to know there is hope!

[PatrikLundell]

I've given up trying to match up pairs. It should be reasonable with humans and dorfs if you have sufficiently large pools, but elves and goblins do not age, and most of the visitors that are not already married will never do so due to their sexual preferences.

[Nilbert]

Hmmm... never thought about the sexual preference element with newcomers.

[Libash_Thunderhead]

Well sometimes vistors have some couples. You just need to be lucky.

[Chief10]

I too have never had visitors give birth. Does anyone know if "culling historical figures" in world gen removes spouses?

[PatrikLundell]

"Culling unimportant historical figures" results in exported Legends Mode info (to Legends Viewer) to sometimes show dead spouses as unknown, as well as some characters in family trees. I doubt living characters are "unimportant" as they may yet do something of importance. However, I have no way of knowing if any spouses were removed completely...

[Chief10]

"Culling unimportant historical figures" results in exported Legends Mode info (to Legends Viewer) to sometimes show dead spouses as unknown, as well as some characters in family trees. I doubt living characters are "unimportant" as they may yet do something of importance. However, I have no way of knowing if any spouses were removed completely...

Just anecdotally I had noticed that when that's turned on, almost all my migrants arrive from the ether - no parents, siblings, or spouses, and thought it had the same effect on visitors. I guessed that when world gen ends, unimportant living figures are culled too? For example any wandering migrant/visitor would have a name/gods/birthyear/etc, but the names of the visitor's sedentary family would be erased