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Libash_Thunderhead

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Smart forgotten beast
« on: December 25, 2016, 08:24:02 pm »

A forgotten beast just ignored my fort and stayed underwater next to the room of the duke. Because it had webs, melee squads are out of question. I had already trapped another FB so I don't know why this one just ignored the widely opened gate.

I tried to send some suicide mercenaries to it. The FB just webbed them, jumped out of the water and finished them off, before returning to its previous tile.
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Ironfang

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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2016, 09:45:01 pm »

Do you want it dead? If you do, use the dwarven solution to such problems.

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If you can't pump it there, leave it be and station some advanced traps around it.
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2016, 10:04:30 pm »

Does it by any chance have a shell?

I had both an FB and a titan stay put in one place hidding inside their shell. Underwater too. The titan had a stinger too. Everyone I sent for them got thrown into the water and drowned...

At least my masons were happy after making so many masterwork slabs.

Can you give us more info on the FB?

If you can't take it out, maybe you could have a pair of vampires train in a flooded barrack (do flooded barracks even work?), and send them after it. It would take some time, but I think it would be more re-usable than a magma pump stack you're only going to use once...
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So uh, yeah you just murdered a until proven otherwise pretty neutral innocent being for no reason.

Libash_Thunderhead

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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2016, 10:12:46 pm »

Oh, about the FB:

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A towering quadruped composed of chrysocolla. It has wings and it has a bloated body. Beware its webs!

Its right wing is fractured. Its right wing is cut open.

Do you want it dead? If you do, use the dwarven solution to such problems.

   -Magma-


If you can't pump it there, leave it be and station some advanced traps around it.
I'm curious. Before that I made a room with bridges to trap it, but it didn't move.


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I tried to drop items on it, but it dodged ever one. Maybe I should try a small cave-in.

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Got it.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2016, 10:40:21 pm by Libash_Thunderhead »
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Fleeting Frames

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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2016, 02:40:23 am »

Just FYI, I did manage to kill a webber with melee squads and no injuries in Moonhome. However, the webber was busy destroying the hatch - I stationed the highly-trained squads under it (in hindsight, defend burrow might have been better to get them closer), then unforbid the hatch and gave the kill order. (it was little unfair, really)

Going by wiki, flowing water also destroys webs, so swimming/vampire dwarves with a drain to lake somewhere would perhaps also stand a good chance, if you have a situation where trees are blocking your caveins. with the beast stationary, digging from beneath might also give your melee squad a good chance - just dig stair up to right beneath, station them under it's ass, then order the downstairs dug.

Well, it's still a webber, so no promises it wouldn't end in TPK.

Magma is also neat idea - maybe it'd set the tree on fire and cause a cavein, if not obsidanize the FB - though I'd probably use a minecartful of magma right above :v
« Last Edit: December 26, 2016, 02:50:53 am by Fleeting Frames »
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2016, 05:58:02 am »

It sound like one variation of the annoying pathing bug where a titan/FB just gets stuck. It's not too uncommon of for them to enter water and then just stay there, occasionally jump out of the water to attack something getting close before returning back down. The pathing bug is probably related to visitors pathing down into pools and then returning back into them if teleported out.
I've also had titans who can't decide how to get into the fortress and just hovers high in the air, as well as FBs that are attracted to a bait door, but keeps pacing back and forth behind the rock pillar in which the passage with the door is dug (they resume normal pathing when the outer drawbridge is closed, and so the lure of the door is blocked).

I've killed one titan by building a high staircase and dropping a lot of boulders on it (took a number of attempts to do it), where all the building had to be done out of mutual sight of the titan and the workers.
In your case I'd build a staircase some 20 tiles off to the side and 20 tiles high with a floor out to one step off above the titan a track stop dumping on top of the titan at the end, and then dump a load of magma on top of it (i.e. Fleeting Frames' suggestion in a more long winded version).
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2016, 08:58:51 am »

Hmm-hmm. If you can't kill a FB with your military, either magma or surgical cave-in strikes.

The latter tends to be less hassle, but the former is obviously the best choice.

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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2016, 09:02:52 am »

Hmm-hmm. If you can't kill a FB with your military, either magma or surgical cave-in strikes.

The latter tends to be less hassle, but the former is obviously the best choice.
I don't know.. Magma/lava tends to be a bit messy for my taste. And has a tendency to leave more collateral damage and unfortunate accidents than intended.
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2016, 09:33:49 am »

I thought all forgotten beasts were immune to magma?
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2016, 12:19:04 pm »

I thought all forgotten beasts were immune to magma?
They're generally immune to magma, but not to being encased in obsidian.
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2016, 12:25:16 pm »

I thought all forgotten beasts were immune to magma?

Pffffbt.

If that were the case, it wouldn't be called "dwarvenkind's best friend"...
They are inmune to it if they're made of magma safe materials, but dunno if they can breathe in it.
I know dragons are inmune to it (their breath being many times hotter), but they do need to breathe, which they can't do if they're totally submerged and with no open space above, like, say, a sally port flooded with magma.
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So uh, yeah you just murdered a until proven otherwise pretty neutral innocent being for no reason.

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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2016, 12:38:26 pm »

Dragons drown in magma I think.
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2016, 01:14:18 pm »

I've certainly seen a cave dragon (which is not the real thing) die while swimming in magma. It had been fighting an FB and was losing, but as far as I could see it did take damage from the heat. Since it was on the surface of the magma pool it probably wasn't suffocating.

I've also seen an FB made out of snow swim through the magma sea without any issues. As far as I understand FBs and titans do not need to breathe even when made out of flesh.
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2016, 06:48:39 pm »

Yeah the webbers are annoying.
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Re: Smart forgotten beast
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2016, 07:38:10 pm »

I've certainly seen a cave dragon (which is not the real thing) die while swimming in magma. It had been fighting an FB and was losing, but as far as I could see it did take damage from the heat. Since it was on the surface of the magma pool it probably wasn't suffocating.

I've also seen an FB made out of snow swim through the magma sea without any issues. As far as I understand FBs and titans do not need to breathe even when made out of flesh.

Yep, cave dragons can't survive magma. They do withstand fire fairly well.
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So uh, yeah you just murdered a until proven otherwise pretty neutral innocent being for no reason.
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