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[Crowe~]

How did a crossing stop you extending? The whole point of a crossing is to create a branching point to continue streets in any/all of the 3 other directions from whence it came?

[Datgum]

There is a really good post on the forums about what the mid-game is like after you exit the newbie phase. I spoilered most of it below.
https://www.landsoflords.com/forum/92989

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Once you get a larger population you can manage multiple building jobs at a time. You may get into conflict with neighbors or be asked to vassalize under a larger lord. There is war in the game already and it has been going on for weeks. Imagine raising your population and learning all your peasants names and what they are good at only to have them all killed in an hour. It can get intense. Aside from that, one of the pursuits of more aged players is to work on getting your buildings and production as high of quality as possible. It's more fun than it sounds.

As far as tips, I would say that it is important to plan your city out. Building roads can help you map out what you want to build and when. It is important to have production buildings in a group that can be more easily encircled in your walls eventually. That will be essential to maintaining a resistance if you get attacked as war is essentially won by outlasting your opponent since there is no way to outright take a domain from someone. It is a good idea to find a liege lord early to build a relationship but make sure you learn their politics so you don't get caught up in a war you don't want.

Hopefully there is as much harshness to the game as is implied there. It seems like diplomacy, psychological warfare, and military coordination will all be important. Diplomacy especially.

Imagine you are powerful Lord A and Lord B has a secondary domain that's blocking your desire to continuously expand. You message him and say, "Hey buddy, you need to either accept my requests to expand my domain into yours or you can just outright abandon that domain so I can liquidate it and move on through. Oh, you refuse? Okay, here is what's going to happen. I'm going to slaughter your vassals' units non-stop and use 5% of my army to occupy their square for a few hours at a time so their happiness and productivity are crushed. I'll move out quickly enough to avoid the reinforcements you bring. You might catch me from time to time but who cares it's only 5% of my army. When you go to bed I'm going to slaughter any units that you leave unprotected. I will do this for months. Or you can just give up your auxiliary domain now and go about your life. Up to you."

I hesitate to call any of that endgame play as I'd say we won't reach endgame until a major empire topples over and there is a major geopolitical shift.

[Biowraith]

Can anyone explain: The entry for charcoal says it takes 50t of wood to produce 10t of charcoal.  All the production stuff I can find in the help section (lime burning, ore refining, tool fabrication, weapon fabrication, etc) appears to allow you to use either fuel (i.e. charcoal) or any wood, with the same amount required for either (e.g. for lime burning, 1000kg of either).  So if 1 unit of charcoal requires 5 units of wood, but I can just use them interchangeably, why would I ever want to make charcoal?

Clearly people are making plenty of charcoal out there, so I must be missing something here.

[Crowe~]

Could be because of that Fire +25? Above the fabrication section on the entry. Does that add to the quality of the goods? Eg. better fuel quality, better final goods
Clicking on the fire link, shows different fire entries for the woods from +20 down to +5 whatever it actually means. When you look at furnaces also, it shows "Skill bonuses: Fire +5" +10,+15 etc for the better furnaces so looks the fire stat adds to the skill, which effects efficiency and quality.

[vishdafish]

Ok, about the leaderless domain, it requires the heir to accept my occupation. They havent accepted yet, so fingers crossed.

[Datgum]

I LOST expansion capacity (from 370 to 350) after six hours of building an east-west street. Neat. That makes no sense based on the help files, which indicates 70 "expansion capacity icon."

[Crowe~]

Did you upgrade from 6 huts?

[Urist McScoopbeard]

I LOST expansion capacity (from 370 to 350) after six hours of building an east-west street. Neat. That makes no sense based on the help files, which indicates 70 "expansion capacity icon."

Did you upgrade from 6 huts?

ya, thats a thing--but houses are a more efficient form of urban sprawl--especially because you need to build along "streets."

EDIT: 5 huts is 75 pop cap, street/crossing is 70.

[Datgum]

Did you upgrade from 6 huts?

No, not yet.

Oh, I see, building that street neutralized my six huts in some way since my population capacity also dropped. I should probably go back and re-read the last page of this thread discussing the confusing street mechanics.

[Biowraith]

Could be because of that Fire +25? Above the fabrication section on the entry. Does that add to the quality of the goods? Eg. better fuel quality, better final goods
Clicking on the fire link, shows different fire entries for the woods from +20 down to +5 whatever it actually means. When you look at furnaces also, it shows "Skill bonuses: Fire +5" +10,+15 etc for the better furnaces so looks the fire stat adds to the skill, which effects efficiency and quality.

Hmm, yeah, hadn't noticed the +Fire as a raw resource bit, that'd do it.

From what I'm reading in the help section, the effect on quality is weighted by the required number of actions for each skill in the process, so that +25 Fire would have a big impact for e.g. lime burning (which takes 40 Fire actions and 15 Lime Burning actions - 72% of quality determined by Fire), but not so much impact on e.g. making hammers (which takes 2 Fire, 10 Smithing, and 2 Turnery actions - only 14% of quality determined by Fire).

Since I'm making Lime, I guess I ought to get Charcoal production going at some point...

[Urist McScoopbeard]

charcoal production is important--but for small scale metalworking, mining ore will give you a small number of ingots right off the bat.

EDIT: To clarify, nail production doesnt require fuel. Not sure what else DOESNT. Tools do.

[Cheedows]

How did a crossing stop you extending? The whole point of a crossing is to create a branching point to continue streets in any/all of the 3 other directions from whence it came?

Yeah, but the thing is it was on one of my main branching points of my square which I didn't realize, so it would've made the entire layout of the town screwy from then on out. Still a bit confused on how exactly this weird street business works but I think I'm on the right track.

[LordBrassroast]

On second thought, I am settling on the island of Error.

[Crowe~]

Oh, I see, building that street neutralized my six huts in some way since my population capacity also dropped. I should probably go back and re-read the last page of this thread discussing the confusing street mechanics.

Seems the 5-6 huts are like a "cheap over-expansion" optional. You can start a street/houses at 4 huts but you can also go to 6 huts instead.

Huts 5=75, 6=90; but a street drops back down to 70, then 80, 90.
So huts can hit 90 in 6 upgrades cheaply but street/houses takes 7 upgrades total plus the added cost of houses for the last 3 upgrades to hit the same mark.

Cant see any reason to not go straight 4 huts -> houses/streets myself, but maybe there is some tactical reason for 6 huts? At war and desperately need more manpower? Will be a lot cheaper to put down huts to 6 all around, 3 levels of street/house is £1810 in bricks in my region.

[Datgum]

Meanwhile, Nathaniel Hawkwood is straight killing the tickets game.