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[S34N1C]

of course they developed fighters the same year we develop bombers.

[Slick]

of course they developed fighters the same year we develop bombers.

Don't worry I think I have two things that are land-based that can help with that and one that's air-based. Besides turns out those defensive turrets are giving em trouble, their apparently only doing minor damage.

[S34N1C]

True. Maybe some AA guns would be in order?

[Slick]

Alright going by that here are the two land designs, one we can likely make our own version of and another we likely need lend lease for here they are in order:

40 mm L/70
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_40_mm_gun#40_mm_L.2F70
Should be easy to make ourselves I mean everyone who's western aligned used a Bofors weapon once.

Skysweeper (Gun, M51, Antiaircraft or Gun automatic, 75-mm T83E6, and E7, recoil mechanism, and loader rammer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M51_Skysweeper
This one is more reliant on if they have any in production for lend-lease cause frankly I don't think we can build one.

Another option is to make our own fighter design possibly making the P-51 Mustang equivalent of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R
Should be, in theory, possible and it would use aircraft parts already available.
Edit:
We should also take into account that we need three lead-lease requests in order get a lend-lease designs full effect.

[stabbymcstabstab]

We should hold of the AA unless it's becoming a issue since this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-3_Nike_Ajax is coming in a couple of turns, we have the anti-armor advatage right now, so maybe get some tanks we could use to take advantage of that?

[Slick]

In that case we could always get this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M46_Patton
Which can be upgraded into, more or less, this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M47_Patton
Which can possibly be replaced by this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M48_Patton

[stabbymcstabstab]

Those sound awesome so what do we request and what do we design? We could request the Patton and design a jet, since we currently got bomb superiority we should defend that. But do we convert the Mustang or make a new design?

[Slick]

So I presume we choose the M46 Patton, or the M47 which entered service in 1952, for Lend-Lease and create a jet fighter out of our P-51 Mustangs sorta like what Soviets did with the Yak-15. Which should save on costs and allow us to gain a numerical advantage...presumably.

Does that make sense?

[stabbymcstabstab]

Makes sense to me, Slick.

[TalonisWolf]

I am reporting for duty! Glory be to Syldavia!

I second the tanks- just keep in mind the Mustachio Menace has Anti-Tank Grenades- specifically stating that they're assigned some sort of infantry escort wouldn't go amiss.

Anti-Armour Mines would be nice for taking out those tanks, as would sabotaging their production. At some point we should see what sort of rules there are for Espionage- would it be a dice roll, a percent chance, or not allowed?

[Slick]

As I have said before:
Sadly nothing is free and it will take repeated requests to get the designs in full.
The first to field a small number of them, the second to start your own production
and the third to get the designs.

This is quoting the GM so we gotta think carefully when it comes to Lend-Lease.

[TalonisWolf]

 Right that is... kind of vague, and here's why:

  Let's say we had three people agree on the same proposal and wanted the design- for my example, the design for... Radar.
 If all three people made their request for Radar in one turn, would they get the design that turn? Or is it three separate requests across three turns? If it is the latter, can the requests be from the same person or must they be from someone separate every time?

TD;LR How does this system work in this game? Vague rules=Rule Abuse=Frustrated Gamemaster. Me no want Frustrated Gamemaster.

[stabbymcstabstab]

How is it vague? you make one request a turn, and you need to request the same thing on three turns to fully get it.


for example lets say four people request a Jet one turn then request a Rifle the next both are at 1/3 then if the request the jet the next two turns they get the complete design.

[TalonisWolf]

I was probably overthinking it- I'm prone to that.

[stabbymcstabstab]

I was probably overthinking it- I'm prone to that.

It's ok, overthinking stuff is a time honored tradition in Arms Race game. I mean look at a certian AT weapon from the first game...