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[Taffer]

The expanded dictionary will be deleted.

No it won't be. I like it too much. Instead I'm manually cleaning it up by removing bigly and hypenated words; I'll also see about reverting all vanilla words back to their original spelling (comparing to vanilla will be possible again) and doing a sanity pass over the whole thing (no duplicated words anywhere, no missing translations, etc) I have chosen the way of pain. If anyone has any particular words to complain about or (more) feedback about the dictionaries, please let me know. Words removed so far:

-perigee
-abrogate
-abjure
-abseil
-abstruse
-agglomerate
-aggrandize
-agoraphobia
-apartment
-arboriculture
-arriviste
-assonance
-boardroom
-bomb
-bootee
-bouffant
-boucle
-bouillon
-bradawl
-braille
-breathing-space
-bric-a-brac
-briefcase

This will take a while, and I'm still fairly busy IRL. I'm documenting everything so I can pass the feedback onto GoblinCookie. No ETA, but my sincere hope is that after a thorough review (or two) the dictionaries will be more palatable to people. Unless you were complaining about the new lewd words; in that case you'll still need to complain, because I enjoy them.

They should be mostly compatible - ...

Is it normal that in adventurer mode, attacks seem to be way slower than normal? Like a regular slash or stab with a longsword is "VVSlow".

Yes. That's a part of the weapon rebalance from my mod.
...

Thank you so much for being responsive to issues, Sver. Knowing how to answer these kinds of questions is a big concern of mine whenever I bring in another author's work.

[Pwnzerfaust]

I see! Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. I was worrying there was some bug with the new weapon sizes or something causing the game to freak out and give the speed as abnormally slow.

[Iliithid]

Honestly glad you chose the wheel of pain here, as a lot of the words did spice things up. I had started to do a manual pass myself but I just don't have the brainspace for it. It feels much more in line with the whole flavour of Revised to meticulously pore over the whole dictionary making edits like an insane hermetic scholar, even if it means we don't get a release for a bit. Kudos to you for your efforts.

[Taffer]

The current list of removed words, just to give people a better idea of the kind of words going away. This isn't an exhaustive list of all changes either, sometimes I'm substituting simpler language. There's an awful lot of gray area here: I'm thinking of words like meridian, radius, diameter, etc. I don't want to remove too much so I haven't been; an argument could be made though that these kinds of domain-specific words will never be used in context anyway and I want to hear people's thoughts on that.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

abjure
abrogate
abseil
abstruse
agglomerate
aggrandize
agoraphobia
apartment
arboriculture
arriviste
assonance
bibulous
biddable
bit (tool)
blandish
boardroom
boating (noun), missing [S_WORD: in language_sym
bobbin
boffin
boll
bomb
bootee
boucle
bouffant
bouillon
bourn
bradawl
braille
breathing-space
bric-a-brac
briefcase
brindled
briquette
broad-minded
buckram
buckwheat-grain (buckwheat still present)
bucolic
bulimia
bullet
burger
burin
busby
bypass (as a noun)
byplay
cabriole
cadge
caecum
calumniate
calyx
cameo
canto
canton
caper (as a verb)
captious
carbine
cardboard
caries (noun)
carminative.
carotid
carpal
carrel
casement
casing
catachresis
catechize
caul
cavil
celerity
cement
censer
cerebellum
chamfer
chandler
checkout
cheval-glass
chevron
chignon
claustrophobia
clipboard
clodhopper
cloy
coalfield (I don't trust the game to use this in context)
coalmine (I don't trust the game to use this in context)
coaxial
cockade
coeval
coextensive
colitis
colophon
color-blind
comedown
comestible
comfit
comity
complaisant
compote
concomitant
concupiscence
confute
connote (not used in this manner in everyday language, and 'connotation' wasn't included)
contumacious
cortage
corymb
cosine (I don't trust the game to use this in context)
cosset
cotangent (I don't trust the game to use this in context)
cozen
cracknel
craw
creepy-crawly
cromlech
cruet
crystal-ball
cubicle
cumulus
curvilinear (I don't trust the game to use this in context)
cyme
cystisis
dairying
dark-horse
deanery
death-penalty
perigee

I want to re-iterate that all feedback is valuable here, even (and particularly) specific sentences or names that seem out of place (along with where you saw them, the context). The more feedback I get the more I can polish this up. Cleaning up the dictionaries is a lot more than just removing the big words: often a word is common as a verb (for example) but it's never used as a noun. Or perhaps a word is associated with a specific context that it shouldn't be. Or maybe one of the noun patterns is wrong (eg [OF_NOUN_PLUR]).

Honestly glad you chose the wheel of pain here, as a lot of the words did spice things up. I had started to do a manual pass myself but I just don't have the brainspace for it. It feels much more in line with the whole flavour of Revised to meticulously pore over the whole dictionary making edits like an insane hermetic scholar, even if it means we don't get a release for a bit. Kudos to you for your efforts.

I'm honestly glad as well, actually. It's got me working on Revised again and I'm excited to see the cleaned up dictionary myself. Thank you!

[Iliithid]

I'll keep an eye out for phrases or misuses that nag me and post them when I can. I know I've come across a lot already but I'll make sure to actually note syntactical stuff going forward. There's plenty of using verbs as nouns and other nonsense that comes to mind.

[Warlord255]

If you're taking suggestions, Taffer, I've dipped back in after a while and would love to offer some stuff; grasping tails for snakemen and smaller reptile-men, for example, though I don't know how you'd feel about that.

One omission I thought appropriate to fix is the lack of training weapons for mace/hammer dwarves. A remedy is offered below, if desired.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE_TRAINING]
[NAME:training cudgel:training cudgel]
[SIZE:120]{:800  Revision: balanced weapon sizes.}
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]{:3  Revision: balanced the required materials to make them.}
{?  Revision: weapon attacks have changed too much for sane commentary.}
[ATTACK:BLUNT:50:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1820] 1210 standard
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:7:4] quick
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:200:club:clubs:NO_SUB:2730]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:6] quick, wild
[TRAINING]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR_TRAINING]
[NAME:training mallet:training mallets]{:war hammer:war hammers}
[SIZE:180]{:400  Revision: balanced weapon sizes.}
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:6]{:3  Revision: balanced the required materials to make them.}
{?  Revision: weapon attacks have changed too much for sane commentary.}
[ATTACK:EDGE:26:1:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1910] 1270 standard
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:9:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:8:100:strike:strikes:fluke:1910]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:9:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:8:375:thrust:thrusts:spike:500] sturdy
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:8:4]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:375:200:hook:hooks:NO_SUB:500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:3]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:50:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:3]
[TRAINING]

[Taffer]

If you're taking suggestions, Taffer, I've dipped back in after a while and would love to offer some stuff; grasping tails for snakemen and smaller reptile-men, for example, though I don't know how you'd feel about that.

Welcome back! I'm always taking suggestions and criticism. I've seen the embedded internal grasping tails here and there in the forums, and I'm interested. Why should the reptile people be smaller?

Look at your bonfire mod! I was focused on the descriptions for a while but now's when I was going to go through my todo list, and looking at your Bonfire 2.0 mod (and your Better Bugmen mod) is on it. I posted a question in the Bonfire thread wondering if it could be made more lightweight, and it looks like there's some concern in there about functionality?

One omission I thought appropriate to fix is the lack of training weapons for mace/hammer dwarves. A remedy is offered below, if desired.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE_TRAINING]
[NAME:training cudgel:training cudgel]
[SIZE:120]{:800  Revision: balanced weapon sizes.}
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]{:3  Revision: balanced the required materials to make them.}
{?  Revision: weapon attacks have changed too much for sane commentary.}
[ATTACK:BLUNT:50:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1820] 1210 standard
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:7:4] quick
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:200:club:clubs:NO_SUB:2730]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:6] quick, wild
[TRAINING]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR_TRAINING]
[NAME:training mallet:training mallets]{:war hammer:war hammers}
[SIZE:180]{:400  Revision: balanced weapon sizes.}
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:6]{:3  Revision: balanced the required materials to make them.}
{?  Revision: weapon attacks have changed too much for sane commentary.}
[ATTACK:EDGE:26:1:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1910] 1270 standard
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:9:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:8:100:strike:strikes:fluke:1910]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:9:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:8:375:thrust:thrusts:spike:500] sturdy
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:8:4]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:375:200:hook:hooks:NO_SUB:500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:3]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:50:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:3]
[TRAINING]

I'll consider adding training cudgels and mallets! The weapons side of my mod is Sver's work at this point, and I think Sver has these as well. I'll look into adding it. The next update will take a bit because I'm trimming the expanded dictionary.

Thank you for the suggestions!

[Warlord255]

Having a VERY strange bug. Bows are listed as digging implements and battle axes refuse to show up in embark despite multiple worldgens and attempts to adjust their variables - metal training axes show up instead. Gonna post in Sver's thread as well, since I'm pretty sure it has to do with his item adjustments.
Edit: Fixed.

As for the Bonfire mod: The core function is still bugged because of smoke pathfinding. Dwarves will not move through smoke willingly sometimes, which means that they'll become stuck on the workshop. They may also be getting stuck because of a lack of another task to immediately pull them away, which causes a brief "what do I do now?" pause that gets them caught on fire. However, the addition of metal poison/coal poison dusts to ore smelting and reactions works flawlessly and adds a fair bit of !!fun!! to the metalworking industry. I could probably stand to rework Peat somehow, though, but it's been so long I'd have to re-learn what the hell I'm doing with it and the installation of it is far too cantankerous. Conceptually, the idea of free infinite fuel with a chance to start a fire seems like a good tradeoff.

[Taffer]

I'm on hiatus for now. This is feeling more and more like a chore, to be honest. I don't think I've sat down to actually play in years, excluding testing here and there. No idea when or if I'll return.

Sorry. Hopefully somebody is willing to up to maintain this.

[Asin]

Sayonara, Taffer.

[Iliithid]

Health and enjoyment always come first. Take all the time you need.

[Dragonslayerelf]

Is Vordak still working on his graphics?

[Symmetry]

This was a cool project.  Thanks for doing it as much as you did Taffer.

[Darkond2100]

I'm messing with this right now, using the latest version on the git to update Meph's tileset LNP, which has an older version.
When was [SHELL], [ITEMS_HARD] and [ITEMS_SCALED] removed from [MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:CHITIN_TEMPLATE] in the material_template_default? Was this because chitin was made useable as a leather, and didn't need to be a shell?

[Sver]

Huh, thanks for noticing!

It appears that Taffer wanted to do something with it, like a unique type of chitin-leather (there is a template for it), but either rolled back or didn't quite finish, as the template is not used anywhere and chitin just yields regular leather.

Personally, I think shell-chitin is more fun and useful.