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[TheBiggerFish]

Misko is quite right.

Ironically, the Electoral College going rogueish and following the popular vote here is quite possibly the best way to get rid of the bloody thing.

[Evaris]

By the way, no, it wasn't about compromise with slave states.  It was about making politicians have to not only focus on urban areas and the rich for getting their votes, and thus they would need to balance their platforms with rural needs too.  Plus there's that whole states rights / state representation tidbit. 

[TheBiggerFish]

ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING

I LITERALLY DEBUNKED THAT

THRICE

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-percent-of-the-popular-vote
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZTTB10_Vo

That canard about states' rights or 'listening to farmers' is BUNK.

[Sensei]

ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING

I LITERALLY DEBUNKED THAT

THRICE

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-percent-of-the-popular-vote
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZTTB10_Vo

That canard about states' rights or 'listening to farmers' is BUNK.

Source cited does not support conclusion.

[TheBiggerFish]

ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING

I LITERALLY DEBUNKED THAT

THRICE

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-percent-of-the-popular-vote
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZTTB10_Vo

That canard about states' rights or 'listening to farmers' is BUNK.

Source cited does not support conclusion.

Did you read/watch?

[Evaris]

ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING

I LITERALLY DEBUNKED THAT

THRICE

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-percent-of-the-popular-vote
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZTTB10_Vo

That canard about states' rights or 'listening to farmers' is BUNK.

Here's the thing, you haven't debunked me in the least.

http://www.sciencebuzz.org/topics/electoral-college-math/arguments-in-favor
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/keep-electoral-college-for-fair-presidential-votes-084651
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-electoral-college-is-anti-democraticand-thats-a-good-thing-2016-09-12
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/11/10/electoral-college-popular-vote-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-editorials-debates/93609562/
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/defense-electoral-college

[TheBiggerFish]

Excuse me, what?

Statistics, please!

Okay, no, you cannot cite opinion pieces against factual analysis.  No.  That is not how it works.  And they're just as wrong as you are about what the EC is actually doing.  Spoiler alert: None of those things.

[Evaris]

Excuse me, what?

Statistics, please!

Okay, no, you cannot cite opinion pieces against factual analysis.  No.

That theoretically 23% of the population can win the electoral vote has not debunked my argument. 

[TheBiggerFish]

Excuse me, what?

Statistics, please!

Okay, no, you cannot cite opinion pieces against factual analysis.  No.

That theoretically 23% of the population can win the electoral vote has not debunked my argument. 

Did you watch the videos?

I presume not?

[Evaris]

Excuse me, what?

Statistics, please!

Okay, no, you cannot cite opinion pieces against factual analysis.  No.

That theoretically 23% of the population can win the electoral vote has not debunked my argument. 

Did you watch the videos?

I presume not?

Your videos haven't changed my opinion or made my argument any less valid?  Urban populations are larger than rural populations, so it was kinda a given that the electoral college could give a win to someone who doesn't win the popular vote. 

I again was arguing about interest group voting, not individual city campaigning.  i.e. urban-rural divide and all the jazz that comes with that as a difference in candidate priorities. 

[TheBiggerFish]

....
You didn't read the NPR thing.

You can win an election with 27% of popvote if you win only big states.  It's not a 'size of state' thing, it's a 'disproportionate vote allotment' thing.

Okay, but once again the Electoral College deemphasizes that in favor of hyperfocusing on swing states.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Okay, but once again the Electoral College deemphasizes that in favor of hyperfocusing on swing states.

Looking at electorial college maps, that's kinda only started happening since 92.  Whole nation would swing in either direction before that point.

Interactive Map via Dropdown

[Evaris]

....
You didn't read the NPR thing.

You can win an election with 27% of popvote if you win only big states.  It's not a 'size of state' thing, it's a 'disproportionate vote allotment' thing.

Okay, but once again the Electoral College deemphasizes that in favor of hyperfocusing on swing states.

1.  And if it was pure pop vote, those "big states" would theoretically have a bigger impact. 

2.  Which swing states usually have a mixture of rural and urban demographics, which is why they "swing" in the first place. 

3.  Taking into consideration the original topic if this thread, the removal of California from the US would dangerously swing the vote to the right - similarly to how the removal of Texas would dangerously swing the US to the left.  The electoral college as it stands, has done well to preserve a balancing act between political ideals, in my opinion. 

[NullForceOmega]

Snip for ignoring reality.

If the public wants the electoral college removed, then there is no federal force in existence that can stop it.  Politicians can be recalled as many fucking times as necessary until there are representative who will make it reality.  pretending that the government is immune to popular action is very foolish.  The fact that no one is willing to do it is not relevant to the fact that it can occur.  The governed people are ALWAYS the ones who call the shots in the end, because if their governing entity won't do its job, that government can be ripped down and rebuilt.

[TheBiggerFish]

Snip for ignoring reality.

If the public wants the electoral college removed, then there is no federal force in existence that can stop it.  Politicians can be recalled as many fucking times as necessary until there are representative who will make it reality.  pretending that the government is immune to popular action is very foolish.  The fact that no one is willing to do it is not relevant to the fact that it can occur.  The governed people are ALWAYS the ones who call the shots in the end, because if their governing entity won't do its job, that government can be ripped down and rebuilt.

Like we have the time.