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Icons, like ASCII but prettier.

Hand-drawn, like an old-timey sepia map.

Full graphics, like JRPGs with full-on sprites.

Same as the tileset ingame. Forests would use the tree sprite, mountains a rock sprite, etc.

Other. Please post your ideas/examples.

[Rose]

This is why it should be set by name, rather than number.

Edit: To clarify, TWBT needs this functionality, but doesn't.

[jecowa]

I'm guessing it won't matter how TWBT or whatever allows these extra colors handles this once the graphics update is out. We are unlikely to be getting changes to descriptor color before then, so it'd be extra work for not much benefit.

[jecowa]

If we re-assign numbers to the Sand colors as if they had been originally coded for 0.34.11, then it seems to work out well and they come out as colors that match their names. (Yellow Sand goes from Fuschia to Gold and White Sand goes from Peach to Pearl). Doing the same for metals, though, does not work out so well. Maybe some of the metals had already been fixed prior to version 4.9? Do you think Electrum could have been intended to be #163 mahogany ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉ instead of #162 lime ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉? Maybe Electrum was overlooked in a previous fix of metal colors.

Sterling Silver is an interesting one. It's display color number #211 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉ is high enough that it should need to be increased by 3 which would give it a new value of #214 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, but it looks to be only 1 off from the likely intended value of #212 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉. Maybe you knew to correct by 2 for the 188+ numbers but didn't realize that #141 had also been added? That doesn't seem to make sense in all situations, though, with a few metals with color values of 141 or higher that seem to have correct color values, such as Silver (#196 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉) and Pig Iron (#161 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉).

But if the 188+ numbers might only be off by 1 instead of 3, then maybe doublecheck those Sand color values that are 188 or higher.

   Should Tan Sand be #200 (+0) tan ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #201 (+1) dark taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #203 (+3) taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉?

   Should Black Sand be #201 (+0) dark taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, #202 (+1) taupe gray ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #204 (+3) purple taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉?

   Should Red Sand be #190 (+0) russet ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, #191 (+1) rust ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #193 (+3) scarlet ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉?

It looks like all these color changes happened sometime between Meph 3.0 and Meph 4.9 (Sometime between 2018-05-15 and 2019-03-03) in case that helps.

Spoiler: descriptor color standard palette (click to show/hide)

255:191:0	FFBF00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#100	amber
153:102:204	9966CC	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#101	amethyst
0:255:255	00FFFF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#102	aqua
127:255:212	7FFFD4	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#103	aquamarine
178:190:181	B2BEB5	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#104	ash gray
111:53:26	6F351A	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#105	auburn
0:127:255	007FFF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#106	azure
245:245:220	F5F5DC	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#107	beige
0:0:0	000000	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#108	black
0:0:255	0000FF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#109	blue
181:166:66	B5A642	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#110	brass
205:127:50	CD7F32	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#111	bronze
150:75:0	964B00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#112	brown
240:220:130	F0DC82	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#113	buff
233:116:81	E97451	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#114	burnt sienna
138:51:36	8A3324	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#115	burnt umber
196:30:58	C41E3A	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#116	cardinal
150:0:24	960018	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#117	carmine
0:123:167	007BA7	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#118	cerulean
54:69:79	36454F	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#119	charcoal
127:255:0	7FFF00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#120	chartreuse
205:92:92	CD5C5C	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#121	chestnut
210:105:30	D2691E	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#122	chocolate
123:63:0	7B3F00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#123	cinnamon
128:128:128	808080	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#124	clear
0:71:171	0047AB	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#125	cobalt
184:115:51	B87333	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#126	copper
255:253:208	FFFDD0	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#127	cream
220:20:60	DC143C	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#128	crimson
0:0:139	00008B	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#129	dark blue
101:67:33	654321	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#130	dark brown
152:105:96	986960	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#131	dark chestnut
1:50:32	013220	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#132	dark green
49:0:98	310062	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#133	dark indigo
85:104:50	556832	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#134	dark olive
255:218:185	FFDAB9	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#135	dark peach
231:84:128	E75480	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#136	dark pink
86:3:25	560319	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#137	dark scarlet
145:129:81	918151	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#138	dark tan
66:49:137	423189	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#139	dark violet
194:178:128	C2B280	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#140	ecru
97:64:81	614051	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#141	eggplant (new in DF v0.40)
80:200:120	50C878	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#142	emerald
79:121:66	4F7942	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#143	fern green
238:220:130	EEDC82	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#144	flax
244:0:161	F400A1	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#145	fuchsia
212:175:55	D4AF37	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#146	gold
255:223:0	FFDF00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#147	golden yellow
218:165:32	DAA520	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#148	goldenrod
128:128:128	808080	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#149	gray
0:255:0	00FF00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#150	green
173:255:47	ADFF2F	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#151	green-yellow
223:115:255	DF73FF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#152	heliotrope
75:0:130	4B0082	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#153	indigo
255:255:240	FFFFF0	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#154	ivory
0:168:107	00A86B	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#155	jade
230:230:250	E6E6FA	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#156	lavender
255:240:245	FFF0F5	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#157	lavender blush
253:233:16	FDE910	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#158	lemon
173:216:230	ADD8E6	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#159	light blue
205:133:63	CD853F	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#160	light brown
200:162:200	C8A2C8	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#161	lilac
204:255:0	CCFF00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#162	lime
192:64:0	C04000	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#163	mahogany
128:0:0	800000	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#164	maroon
153:51:102	993366	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#165	mauve
145:95:109	915F6D	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#166	mauve taupe
0:51:102	003366	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#167	midnight blue
152:255:152	98FF98	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#168	mint green
173:223:173	ADDFAD	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#169	moss green
204:119:34	CC7722	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#170	ochre
128:128:0	808000	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#171	olive
255:165:0	FFA500	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#172	orange
175:238:238	AFEEEE	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#173	pale blue
152:118:84	987654	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#174	pale brown
221:173:175	DDADAF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#175	pale chestnut
250:218:221	FADADD	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#176	pale pink
255:229:180	FFE5B4	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#177	peach
240:234:214	F0EAD6	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#178	pearl
204:204:255	CCCCFF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#179	periwinkle
1:121:111	01796F	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#180	pine green
255:192:203	FFC0CB	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#181	pink
102:0:102	660066	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#182	plum
204:136:153	CC8899	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#183	puce
255:117:24	FF7518	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#184	pumpkin
102:0:153	660099	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#185	purple
115:74:18	734A12	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#186	raw umber
255:0:0	FF0000	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#187	red
178:0:75	B2004B	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#188	red-purple (new in DF v0.40)
244:194:194	F4C2C2	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#189	rose (went with tea rose) (new in DF v0.40)
117:90:87	755A57	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#190	russet
183:65:14	B7410E	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#191	rust
244:196:48	F4C430	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#192	saffron
255:36:0	FF2400	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#193	scarlet
46:139:87	2E8B57	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#194	sea green
112:66:20	704214	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#195	sepia
192:192:192	C0C0C0	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#196	silver
135:206:235	87CEEB	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#197	sky blue
112:128:144	708090	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#198	slate gray
0:255:127	00FF7F	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#199	spring green
210:180:140	D2B48C	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#200	tan
72:60:50	483C32	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#201	dark taupe
139:133:137	8B8589	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#202	taupe gray
103:76:71	674C47	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#203	taupe
80:64:77	50404D	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#204	purple taupe
188:152:126	BC987E	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#205	pale taupe
144:93:93	905D5D	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#206	rose taupe
150:113:23	967117	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#207	sandy taupe
0:128:128	008080	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#208	teal
48:213:200	30D5C8	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#209	turquoise
227:66:52	E34234	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#210	vermilion
139:0:255	8B00FF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#211	violet
255:255:255	FFFFFF	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#212	white
255:255:0	FFFF00	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#213	yellow
154:205:50	9ACD32	▉▉▉▉▉▉▉	#214	yellow-green

[Novaris]

I would vote for +0/+0/+1 for the sand types to be honest

reasons:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cacti-sand-desert-cactus-park-cacti-sand-desert-cactus-park-174109385.jpg
https://cdn.fodors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Black-Sand-Beaches-Black-Sand-Beach-Alaska-USA.jpg
https://cdn7.dissolve.com/p/D1234_1_435/D1234_1_435_1200.jpg

[jecowa]

Oh, #200 for Tan Sand would actually be (+1). I forgot I had already corrected that from #199 bright green. The dark gray kind of makes sense for Black Sand since it is also dark gray in vanilla. Even though it is probably only gray in vanilla due to not being able to put a black character against a black background. That would put every sand at +1, which would make sense if he corrected his old classic Masterwork-era color palette for the new #188 and #189 but overlooked the new #141.

[Novaris]

I changed now (in my personal version, not the official one)
SAND_TAN to 200,
SAND_YELLOW to 144,
SAND_WHITE to 178,
SAND_BLACK to 201 and
SAND_RED to 191
and it looks brilliant many thanks for your color table!

[Sevrin]

How do I disable the mouse in the meph launcher? If I try to turn it off in the .ini, the launcher just turns it back on. DFHACK doesn't seem to help either, and it's not an option (among other .ini options that can't be modified when using the meph launcher because it just switches them back to default)

[jecowa]

Type this into the DFHack Terminal window and press the return/enter key:

Code: [Select]

disable mousequery
To permanently remove it, delete your /Dwarf Fortress/hack/plugins/mousequery.plug.dylib file.

[Novaris]

@jecowa
Since you seem to have a keen eye for details are there any other color changes you would recommend?

[vettlingr]

My domestics expansion mod adds 9 colors, which of 1 is used. This causes the additional colors twbt plugin to skew by +9. Copper which is usually 126 is found at 135, gold which is 143, is found at 152. All in all, it means that any mod that adds colors is not compatible with this feature. It can't easily be fixed post world gen either, the straight forward fix is to name the descriptor_color files in order so that descriptor_color_standard is the top file and first to be read.

The reason for the +1 skew in mephs is probably due to the addition of color eggplant a few versions back.

[Novaris]

Well the changes in the sand definitions were consistent with the +1 but I have the feeling that the gems are completely messed up. But it may be my misunderstanding of the COLOR tag as well thats why I am asking.

EDIT: nevermind, I overlooked the STATE_COLOR tag... doh!

[Rose]

Which file sets these colors? I want to fix this so it doesn't actually matter, but I'm not familiar enough with the tileset to know what's what.

aaaand 5 minutes layer I realize that the colors are not actually being loaded by TWBT at all, they're loaded by DF's normal raw loading.



....why was this done by modifying the display color instead of the state color?

[Novaris]

The colors are set in the inorganic_xxx.txt files.
inorganic_stone_soil.txt for all the sand, clay and dirt for example, inorganic_stone_gem.txt for the gems etc..

[Rose]

Yeah, it really should use [STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:CHOCOLATE] or similar to do this, rather than messing with the display color.

[vettlingr]

Yeah, it really should use [STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:CHOCOLATE] or similar to do this, rather than messing with the display color.

I disagree, by limiting it to the color tag, you can't specify wether the color should be used as fg or bg.

As far as I can see, the colors for gems seems to check out.