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[ATHATH]

Hm, on second thought, I think that the best way to balance AS is to give it tiers, each of which cost 3 points each:
Tier 1: Secondary stat=Primary Stat-3
Tier 2: Secondary stat=Primary Stat-2
Tier 3: Secondary stat=Primary Stat-1
Tier 4: Secondary stat=Primary Stat

Side note: Secondary stats that are boosted by AS currently don't modify HP and Defenses, and I'm pretty sure that they don't grant boons/banes (I might be wrong; I'm using my phone right now, so I can't check). Is that intentional?

[Criptfeind]

I don't think this game is like, suppose to be super balanced, but at the same time I also don't think that attribute substitution seems like that sorta op. Like you said, since you don't gain the defenses or the hp, or even the boon/banes from it, in reality it's sorta only useful ether for fulfilling a requirement for a feat (which is pretty niech) or giving a character that didn't actually have a way to attack a way to attack (which is a very big upgrade... But it's upgrading the combat capabilities of a character from "nothing" to "average", which isn't a balance issue) A magic user isn't going to benefit from being able to punch people with magic... Since you can already totally do that. Also all in all 3 feat points isn't that much but you don't really get that many, like, 30 at level 9? I know that I at least had to pair my list of feats I want down to the bone... At higher levels it's worth more for sure, but at level one at least it's 1/2 your feat points for 3/8ths more attributes (but not really.) Asking for 12 feat points to have to be put into it to max it (that's nearly half a level nine characters points!) is in my opinion a bit much.

Idk, there's probably some way to abuse the hell out of it, but right now we've got... One person using it in a way that it can't be used and isn't that op anyway.

All in all if you're worried about balance it's almost certainly not the most insane thing compared to something like, idk, probably companions.

[lawastooshort]

I don’t really get the Feats, Boons, and Banes, just yet. Can anyone help with typical Bardish non-Presence F/B/B?

Spoiler: Jao Feng Ling, the Elderly Bard Git (click to show/hide)

Hero Name: Jao Feng Ling

Archetype: Elderly Bard Git

Level: 1

Player: lawastooshort

Physical Description: Jao is short, stumpy, and fairly wizened. He’s an old and unremarkable Halfling, with bushy eyebrows and deep scowly wrinkles. He dresses like a dull scholar of geography, or an off-duty alchemist, in clothes that weren’t actually fashionable several decades ago, and have numerous patches in now. He also smells a bit like steamed broccoli, with flat kind of eyes and a mouth that seems to snarl when its owner might want to smile. Which he doesn’t ever, so it’s neither here nor there.

Bio: Jao Feng Ling is a fine example of the triumph of persistence and… well, that’s it, really, over mediocrity, lack of talent, and lack of that wow factor that a bard should, perhaps, possess. He has a thousand poems and only a single fan, although in his darkest nights even Jao himself has begun to doubt his genius.

Jao is from the Dragon Archipelago of the Far West, a scattered collection of small islands on the edge of the known seas. Legend has it that they are so named because the First Dragon, having been created and not sprung from an egg, didn’t know how to care properly for an egg – and so she dropped them all into the sea, where the land beneath the sea took pity on them, and roosted them itself. The earth grew slowly in mounds over the eggs, and eventually broke the surface. And thus, thousands and thousands of years later, from time to time a dragon emerges fully formed from under the waves, and brings terror upon the islanders, until a Dragon Speaker rallies to the misfortune, and persuades the Dragon to leave for the East, where the creatures are larger and, indeed, tastier, and more likely to sustain a glorious and regal creature such as you, m’lord Dragon.

This raises two interesting cultural points about the Dragon Archipelago. Dragon Speakers are their Bards and their Elders: repositories of ancient knowledge and ancient tales, and of course vital in stopping the entire adult population being eaten alive every century or two.

And the Dragon Archipelago is entirely populated by Halflings – a sturdy breed of Sea Halflings, who spend as much time at sea as on the steep mountain slopes of their island homes. They are comfortable at sea and on slope, but not so much in the company of larger folk – that is to say, anyone other than a Halfling.

When Jao was younger, it was his dream to follow in the footsteps of his elder brother and become a trainee Dragon Speaker. He loved the old tales, and he loved to spin new ones. But his brother’s mentor would not accept him as a student – Jao just didn’t “have it”, he said. He never explained what Jao never had, and Jao could never work it out.

The problem was, Jao just wasn’t a performer. He didn’t have that starry sparkle, he had no rapport, he had no connection with the people he spoke to. In fact, despite being able to come up with the most outlandish – or even true – tales, he just didn’t have a way with words. To be quite blunt, many people found him incredibly boring.

So as a wandering self-taught Dragon Speaker in training, he came upon rejection after rejection; at street corner after street corner he went home with no takings in his busker’s hat; nowhere would people listen to more than a minute of his carefully crafted but exceedingly dull stories. Nobody cared about his tired, clichéd, awful poetry describing the wonderful mundanities of life on the dusty road, and nobody cared for his stilted, nasally delivery during which he forgot most of the words.

He decided, eventually, that this was because Halflings are idiots and that the Halfling culture they cherished was a bag of nonsense, and no one alive had actually seen one of these so-called dragons anyway, and he took a rare ship to the East.

Here he spent years more wandering, travelling, through countrysides and towns that were, to him, unimaginably vast – and he spent years and years dangerously close to starvation.

Nobody bloody cared, and he was incapable of making a living as a professional bard.

Jao began to feel somewhat bitter towards the whole world, and not just towards the average eejit of a Halfling.

He started looking into methods of forcing people to like his work – he began searching out libraries of rare oeuvres where he could examine the esoteric mysteries of enchantment, and mind control. And he began to be less idealistic – and indeed positively pragmatic, as time went further by – and steal for food, or pick a pocket for drink, or kick a child for fun.

Everywhere he went he would steal, lie, and cheat, his complete lack of personality and interest playing considerably in his favour as no one would suspect such a nonentity to be capable of anything other than nothing. He’d typically be forgotten minutes after he passed.

But they were all Wrong. Someday, Jao would make entire towns of people sit down and listen to his orations – and by the gods, they’d enjoy them. And applaud. And give him money.

He dreamt of that day nearly every night.

In the meantime, he criss-crossed New Miriam, running errands that were somewhat below the greatest story teller of his generation, but at least earnt more than his poetry ever did.

Attributes:
Physical
Agility=3
Fortitude=2
Might=0

Social
Deception=3
Presence=0
Persuasion=0

Mental
Learning=3
Logic=1
Perception=3
Will=3

Supernatural
Abjuration=0
Alteration=0
Creation=0
Divination=0
Enchantment=3
Energy=0
Entropy=0
Illusion=0
Movement=0

Defenses:
Toughness = 14
Evasion = 15
Resolve = 13
Hit Points = 20

Feats:
Feat Points Remaining: 0

1. Supernatural focus - voice - Enchantment
2. Lightning reflexes - Int+1
3. Well Rounded
4.
5.
6.

Boons:
None?

Banes:
Demoralized I
Disarmed I
Immobile
Persistent Damage I
Silenced
Slowed

From agility

Charmed I
Demoralized I
Disarmed I
Dominated I
Immobile

From enchantment

Race: HALFING
Racial Bonus: Halfling Luck.

Equipment: Hat, Club, Shortbow & Quiver, Dagger, Leather Armor, Adventurers Pack

edit: putting in banes and bits

[UXLZ]

Eh, what the hell. I'll try and drudge something up. Hopefully this game will last a bit longer than that 5E game last year, ey Dwarmin? =P

Is it alright to post the sheet to pastebin? I get triggered really badly by uneven formatting. Well, whatever, I'm already working with it on it, LINK. Ah, can we also manually do our inventories and stuff? I want my character to wield a Greatsword nevermind, there's almost literally no reason to beyond flavor and I can just use a longsword for that. Still, I'd like to do my items custom-like.

Man, I hope I don't vanish again.

[Draignean]

Eh, what the hell. I'll try and drudge something up. Hopefully this game will last, ey Dwarmin? =P
Is it alright to post the sheet to pastebin? I get triggered really badly by uneven formatting. Ah, can we also manually do our inventories and stuff? I want my character to wield a Greatsword but it's not in any of the predefined packs.

Man, I hope I don't vanish again.

Paladin has a greatsword.

[UXLZ]

Eh, what the hell. I'll try and drudge something up. Hopefully this game will last, ey Dwarmin? =P
Is it alright to post the sheet to pastebin? I get triggered really badly by uneven formatting. Ah, can we also manually do our inventories and stuff? I want my character to wield a Greatsword but it's not in any of the predefined packs.

Man, I hope I don't vanish again.

Paladin has a greatsword.

Oh, it does too, I missed that, thank you. I glossed over it because it mentioned a Warhammer and I don't intend for my character to ever use any blunt weapons. Hm, I might end up having to go with something else, or switch it for a Longsword if Dwarmin allows. Ultimately I'd like it best to to do custom items, but its his prerogative and if not I'll work with what I can.

[UXLZ]

Oh, and this is a pretty IMPORTANT one Dwarmin, since I'm taking Boon Access (6): Absorb Object, is there a limit to how many objects may be absorbed at one time? Is it up to the "Twenty Objects Carried Maximum" in the "Equipment" section, or does it go around that since you aren't exactly carrying them? How does it interact with things that have the bulky or heavy property? Another potential usage, can I take Armor directly from storage to being equipped (if I'm not wearing something else of course.) And even if that isn't the case, can I absorb the armor rather than manually taking it off, or do I have to take it off, then absorb it? Or can I just never absorb things that large? (The intuitive size limit would probably be anything you could conceivably wear or hold but you might have a different idea.)

[ATHATH]

@Creator of Open Legend: The (normal) crossbow seems to be strictly inferior to one of the other weapons (I forgot which one). Is that intended?

Also, can one hold a weapon for its initiative boost but never use it, instead only casting (supernatural) boons/banes?

[UXLZ]

@Creator of Open Legend: The (normal) crossbow seems to be strictly inferior to one of the other weapons (I forgot which one). Is that intended?

Also, can one hold a weapon for its initiative boost but never use it, instead only casting (supernatural) boons/banes?

Hmm, yes. Assuming there aren't any feets or boon modifications I'm unaware of, the Crossbow is strictly inferior to the Longbow and potentially also the Shortbow, unless having a higher wealth level means it is better.

[Tiruin]

Spoiler: Character Creation (click to show/hide)

~Char Gen snip~

I don't think I'll make it for Dwarmin to return :< But I'll be trying to make a sheet the soonest I can?

[UXLZ]

Proper submission post.
Pastebin Sheet.

Spoiler: Forum Sheet (click to show/hide)

Hero Name   : Emilia Reginleif
Archetype   : Own Empress       
Race        : Celestial
Racial Bonus: Divine Intervention
Level: 1
Player: UXLZ
Physical Description: Beautiful and young with pale skin, straight crimson hair, and piercing cyan eyes, Emilia would be a head turner almost anywhere in the world. She wears the armor of a fighter or knight, but does not seem to carry any weapons.
 
Bio: Found as a baby near a strange shipwreck one night by a kind-hearted couple as they walked along a stormy beach with a white feather clutched to her chest, Emilia was taken in and raised as their own daughter. Despite the strange circumstances, initially she seemed like any other child, but over time they began to notice something strange. Rocks she stood on would disappear, only to later be found in her crib. Food she did not want to eat would vanish entirely, cutlery would disappear into the ether for days. At first they were baffled, but after seeking the advice of a wondering wizard discovered that she could shunt objects into a pocket dimension and withdraw them at will. He offered to take her to a magic academy where her gifts might be further developed, but they declined. It was obvious, they said, that by looking at how she so cheerfully watched the guardsmen practice that she wanted to be a warrior, not a mage.   

As time went on the girl began to wonder about her past. She loved her adopted parents dearly, but also felt that it was not her fate to live out a humble life in their small village. She was older now, and knew how to fight, how to use her gifts. Many years of practice had seen to that. Still, they did not listen, they did not let her go. It was too dangerous, she would die or worse, they couldn't bear to see their daughter leave. Many days and nights of arguing eventually culminated in her running away on a stormy night much like the one on which she had been found. Her worried mother and father searched desperately high and low, until they found her crying by an old and decrepit tree. A flash of lightning, a strong gust of wind, and down the tree came toward's the young girl's head, crashing to the ground. Miraculously, she emerged relatively unharmed, with only cuts and bruises to show for what most certainly should have been her end. In the distance unbeknownst to Emilia, her parents noticed a feather floating off in the wind, and the ghostly image of a blonde-haired woman dressed in furs and armor, white wings spreading from her back. It was then that they realized their daughter was truly special, and together they decided to support her whatever the future may bring.

Notes: Emelia is the name her parents gave her, but her last name came from the hull of the broken ship.
 
(Custom Hero: 5,3,3,3,3,1 )
 
Attributes
Physical
Agility     = 5 [2d6]
Fortitude   = 3 [1d8]
Might       = 1 [1d4]
 
 
Social
Deception   = 0
Presence    = 3 [1d8]
Persuasion  = 0
 
Mental
Learning    = 0
Logic       = 0
Perception  = 0
Will        = 3 [1d8]
 
Supernatural
Abjuration  = 0
Alteration  = 0
Creation    = 0
Divination  = 0
Enchantment = 0 
Energy      = 0
Entropy     = 0
Illusion    = 0
Movement    = 3 [1d8]
 
Defenses
Toughness  = 17
Evasion    = 19
Resolve    = 16
Hit Points = 28
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Feats
Feat Points Remaining: 0
 
1. Boon Access (6): Absorb Object 
2. ******************************
3. ******************************
4. ******************************
5. ******************************
6. ******************************
 
Equipment
Heavy Item Maximum: 2
 
Weapons:
Longsword  |Melee, Versatile , Forceful, Precise                    |
Glaive     |Melee, Two-Handed, Forceful, Precise, Reach             | Knockdown, Immobile
Dagger x12 |Melee, One-Handed,         , Precise, Range 25, Swift 2| Persistent Damage
 
Armor:
Scale Shirt|DEF 4, Speed Penalty 0, Heavy
 
Other:
Adventurer's Pack|Bulky
 
 
Boons and Banes

Should be fairly obvious what I'm basing this character off.

[GiglameshDespair]

Spoiler: Character Creation (click to show/hide)

~Char Gen snip~

I don't think I'll make it for Dwarmin to return :< But I'll be trying to make a sheet the soonest I can?

Why are you asking me?

[Dwarmin]

Good news, everyone!

I didn't blow away. In fact, the storm pretty much missed me entirely. I thought it was gonna be the scene from Day After tomorrow where tornadoes destroy everything, instead it was more like the scene from Superman 2 where that guy loses his ice cream cone.

Now to dig through the submissions.

[Dwarmin]

Oh, it does too, I missed that, thank you. I glossed over it because it mentioned a Warhammer and I don't intend for my character to ever use any blunt weapons. Hm, I might end up having to go with something else, or switch it for a Longsword if Dwarmin allows. Ultimately I'd like it best to to do custom items, but its his prerogative and if not I'll work with what I can.

You can use the custom item sets if you want-ergo,

You may select up to three items of your Wealth Level and any number of items of a lesser Wealth Level

We start at wealth level 2.

Note, if you bring 15 hatchets I'm having them swept away by the storm.

Also, I have determined the crossbow really does suck, compared to the other bows. It needs to have more banes added to it.

[Dwarmin]

Also, can one hold a weapon for its initiative boost but never use it, instead only casting (supernatural) boons/banes?

I would rule if you don't actually attack with the weapon, you lose the init boost for the rest of the battle.