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Author Topic: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?  (Read 1608 times)

ShadowDragon8685

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Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« on: June 08, 2008, 03:46:00 am »

If you're like me, you're absoloutely paranoid. You'll set up a complicated system to prevent anything from getting in by simply walling off the entire level of the fortress that touches ground floor - IE, not even megabeasts can get in, since there's no damn doors to claw down.

Why do dwarves always, ALWAYS, absoloutly INSIST on finishing that last piece of wall FROM THE OUTSIDE?!

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Klendt

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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2008, 04:45:00 am »

Murphy's law, man.
An alternative, more popular theory exists that dwarves hate you, everyone you know, your hometown, your old school, and old man John.
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2008, 07:43:00 am »

Dwarves prefer certain directions... I think it goes west east north south northwest southwest northeast southeast. If a dwarf can build from the west, he WILL build from the west... Even if it means trekking 500 squares across the map to engrave the wall from the other side.
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2008, 08:22:00 am »

If you build another wall on the far side of the wall and suspend it immediately, the dwarf should be loath to build from there. It's how I stop my dwarves from entombing themselves.
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 12:31:00 pm »

quote:
Originally posted by Skizelo:
<STRONG>If you build another wall on the far side of the wall and suspend it immediately, the dwarf should be loath to build from there. It's how I stop my dwarves from entombing themselves.</STRONG>

Hey, thanks for reminding me about that!

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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 12:19:00 am »

Well, acording to the Wiki, dwarves are just booze exoskeletons, and booze isn't that smart...
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 12:41:00 am »

A easy way to stop dwarves from walling themselves in is to build the last block as an inside facing towards the your 'inside' area.
eg
code:
(top-view)

.............         #= Constructed wall
.............         .= Ground
##########...         W= The last piece of wall you build.
.........W#..
..........#..
..........#..
..........#..



The dwarves can travel across that diagonal gap in the wall but will tend to build the last wall you construct from the inside. Like so:

code:
(top-view)

.............         #= Constructed wall
.............         .= Ground
##########...         O= Dwarven mason
.........##..
.........O#..
..........#..
..........#..


This usually works for me.

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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 12:43:00 am »

quote:
Originally posted by Eatnobles4breakfast:
<STRONG>Well, acording to the Wiki, dwarves are just booze exoskeletons, and booze isn't that smart...</STRONG>

I dunno, man. I've got some that's been hanging out in the kitchen for a couple of months, and I reckon it's teeming with intelligent life by now.

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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2008, 01:40:00 am »

quote:
Originally posted by A_Fey_Dwarf:
[QB]The dwarves can travel across that diagonal gap in the wall but will tend to build the last wall you construct from the inside.

At the moment, dwarves can't construct diagonally. I think it's being worked on though.
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2008, 02:57:00 am »

close the last hole with a door. forbid the door. wall the door  ;)
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2008, 04:01:00 am »

quote:
Originally posted by Skizelo:
<STRONG>
At the moment, dwarves can't construct diagonally. I think it's being worked on though.</STRONG>


Thats exactly why his plan is so brilliant, them dorfs will always built from the inside if you built the last wall in such a way that they can't construct it from the outside. (ah, logics)

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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2008, 05:22:00 am »

It works, yes. But it shouldn't.

And, when you think about it, isn't that what matters? Deep down?

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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2008, 09:17:00 am »

Then again dwarves shouldn't have a general racial preference when it comes to the direction they mine/construct from either.  :p
Logically the closest path should be preferenced. (but that would likely ask for much more processing power to calculate all these extra pathways)
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2008, 11:38:00 am »

That picture is actually wrong.  The dwarf would build on the west side first, not south.
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Re: Why do dwarves build themselves ouf of castle and keep?
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2008, 11:52:00 am »

quote:
Originally posted by Fooster:
<STRONG>That picture is actually wrong.  The dwarf would build on the west side first, not south.</STRONG>

The picture depicts not the actual construction, but the moment after construction when the dwarf is leaving the finished wall and heading south.

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