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[andrea]

the V12 on the T33 can push an heavy tank to 45 km/h.

I wonder what it will do mounted on an aluminium armored car. If we add wings it may take off

But yes, if you are going to include a V12 engine , at least use the good one with all the techs.

[Aseaheru]

 Its a medium tank with heavy armor on the front, but yah, it reaches 45km/h.

[stabbymcstabstab]

I'll support the new rapid moose since we need a away to get troops alive to ship first, then breach it.

[Aseaheru]

 Yaknow, its really sad that transport to battle by foot VS by truck had no effect in the original game, I have a feeling if it did then there would be more troop transport things out and about.

[stabbymcstabstab]

Yeah, I imagine the full on blitz that ended the war would probably have worked very differently of that was taken into account.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Yaknow, its really sad that transport to battle by foot VS by truck had no effect in the original game, I have a feeling if it did then there would be more troop transport things out and about.

Considering the three biomes that were fought in for the majority of the war were a jungle, mountains, and plains that had played host to trench warfare for multiple decades...

I'll roll up the revised APC soon.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

So I had an epiphany earlier today. We may be thinking about advancing our technology from the wrong direction. Because we're facing XCOM aliens that means that XCOM technology works regardless of how physics actually works. As solo pilots have been mentioned, I'm assuming we're using OldCOM as the basis here? In that case, we can use OldCOM's wiki and game play as a basis to know what tech works and what tech doesn't, as we have with Wikipedia and real world military history.

As such, presuming the above is correct, we should look into the next advances that were available in OldCOM that could help us with shooting alien aircraft down. Once we can semi-reliably shoot them down, we will have signficantly more time to bring in troops to secure the site, starting the feedback loop of tech and resource progression that will let us kick alien ass all the way back to where they came from.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Revision Results

UF-MV21-AL II "Rabid Moose" Alt:
An armoured car based on the UF-MV21-AL.  The tires have been enlarged and reinforced to improve offroad traction.  The engine has been replaced with a turbocharged V12 engine, increasing the absolute on-road max speed to 140 kilometers per hour if the driver pushes it.  Standard maximum is 120 kilometers per hour.  Offroad, it can achieve a relatively safe maximum speed of 70 kilometers per hour, with an absolute maximum for mad drivers being 90 kilometers per hour.  As a result of the disposition of most drivers, soldiers only rarely utilize the external harness points and hand/foot holds.

Costs 5 Ore, 3 Oil
Current Expense Level: Expensive

Alien Research Phase

(Just a rename of reverse engineering to allow for study of their corpses to make sense.)

Options
Alien Alloys II (Requires another research topic to be completed before it becomes available)
Apparent Power Source of the Excavated Site.
Broken alien weapons recovered from both battle zones.
Recovered Alien Corpse from "successful" battle zone.

So I had an epiphany earlier today. We may be thinking about advancing our technology from the wrong direction. Because we're facing XCOM aliens that means that XCOM technology works regardless of how physics actually works. As solo pilots have been mentioned, I'm assuming we're using OldCOM as the basis here? In that case, we can use OldCOM's wiki and game play as a basis to know what tech works and what tech doesn't, as we have with Wikipedia and real world military history.

As such, presuming the above is correct, we should look into the next advances that were available in OldCOM that could help us with shooting alien aircraft down. Once we can semi-reliably shoot them down, we will have signficantly more time to bring in troops to secure the site, starting the feedback loop of tech and resource progression that will let us kick alien ass all the way back to where they came from.

If you are going to copy what original X-Com used, then you'll need a 2100 kph Interceptor either a computer assisted autocannon able to track and fire at a 10 kilometer range, or missles that track from 30 or 60 kilometers.  Still, you might wind up reaching later tech by an alternative path...

[somemildmanneredidiot]

Power Source

I'm thinking Power Source into Broken Alien Weapons will help us get to a circuitry level where we can begin work on computers and miniturizing electronics to begin to get us signficantly better targeting.

[RAM]

Alloys II, it should be simple to integrate and the improved rigidity to weight ratio should offer some surprisingly dynamic rocketry advances. I mean, a rocket-fighter that can largely ignore flight-stresses and is highly heat resistant would have a serious advantage over anything from world war II...

[VoidSlayer]

Broken alien weapons!  We need to master their weapon tech, then put it on a train or a deathball.

[RAM]

Okay, fair enough, I do find myself incapable of arguing against a deathball that uses plasma launchers or lasers as propulsion, but I rather suspect that we will not actually get any weapon technology from a that weapon. At best we might get a sight, or maybe some sort of triggering mechanism, but we would probably be lucky to get so much as some stray circuitry...

[Parsely]

I like your gumption RAM, alien alloys would probably make a stellar airframe, but we need to shoot down ETOs to get enough alloys to make something in the first place. Our best bet is finding some advancement that can be implemented with currently existing technology.

Broken Alien Weapons

[andrea]

Besides, alien alloy II are marked as requiring another tech to be researched. Likely alien power core, but we lack the means to get elerium and alloys. Lets go for weapons. Maybe we get an idea for an advanced weapon of some sort.  Or techs. Vote revoked, see later.

[Sheb]

My understanding was that the required tech was Alien Alloy I: we need to research phase to be able to use alloys.

So yeah, I say we finish the Alloy research. We can't build Alien weapons without aliens materials anyway.