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[stabbymcstabstab]

How about we design a explosive charge so that the troops can actually breach the ships. Since that's one of the issues of why they got slaughtered to a man and would help prevent them from taking off due to the tagged hole in the side.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

I don't think we actually know what has caused all of our troops to die in contact due to them all dying and not being able to report back about what happened.

I'm in support of the Helicopters or the Skyrangers. If we do go for the Skyranger, we might be able to put some focus on the landing gear such that it can be used to deliver thinga regardless of the availability of an airfield rather than just acting as a mass paratrooper deployer.

[andrea]

We have anti tank portable charges already, but if we are following the game, no quantity of conventional explosive will breach an UFO.
And as far as we know it was not even a problem: they might just be killed before they reach the UFO walls.

Currently aseaheru's copter design has a motorcycle engine. I wonder if we culd put something more powerful in it? we need speed for the attack crafts and plenty of weight for transports ( realistically, we can perhaps aim at 4 fully armored passengers?)

[Aseaheru]

 Well, our motorcycle engine is rather powerful, and the rotor layout is one of tghe most powerful ones out there.

 Yah, Im probably overestimating the power of that engine. Ill go update the design.

[andrea]

UF-LAOA-41 then. if it works, we can attach autocannons and RPG for a somewhat decent ground attack copter, and I believe it is a good revision away from being a transport. Not a big transport, but unlike X-COM we are not limited to one transport per battle.

[Kot]

What about some Baumgärtl Heliofly? Helicopter paratroopers with motorcycle engines!

[Aseaheru]

 We could try that, but it looks like they dont have much in the way of equipment capacity. Plus, it means training every man to be a pilot.

[3_14159]

My main issue with the helicopter is that, right now, it doesn't help us with anything: It's useful for artillery coordination, but we cannot deploy artillery fast enough. It could deploy people later on, but right now it's not powerful enough. It could mount weapons, except not right now.

Therefore I'd say that - if we go for helicopters - we start with a bigger design.

[andrea]

are you sure it isn't powerful enough? Aseaheru just added more engine power to the proposal. a revision should allow us to enlarge the body enough to carry at least 2 more people, possibly 4 more.

That means 4-6 soldier per transport helicopter, including the pilots. Plus air supports from the same helicopter.

That said, perhaps we should not start with a 2 seater anyway. Maybe start with a 4 seat design? it should not be a too big leap.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: UF-SAM-41 (click to show/hide)

Designed as a fixed installation nearby UF-1940/2-RDF v2's, this Surface to Air Missile installation consists of 360 degree of freedom turret, carrying 16 missiles, intended to be fired in a single volley. Each of these missiles has controllable ailerons to change course, and is radio controlled by a dedicated crewman. In order to easily distinguish the missiles, they will each have a coloured flare attached to the rear. The radio uses the improved vacuum tubes for the transmitter and crystal radios for the receiver, to reduce weight and size. Each missile/targeting station pair is connected by a unique frequency and encryption to avoid interference from other targeting stations.

The targeting stations also come with a set of optics at varying strengths to aid the targeter.

I appreciate that this is rather ambitious, but I have my reasons for it:

- Our radio tech is way behind the rest of the world now, so I expect leaps and bounds in this, even if everything else fails
- If we can shoot down a UFO, then the army will be able to get there with all their gear, instead of having to rely on under-equipped paratroopers
- Missiles are the only things that are going to be anywhere near fast enough to catch a UFO
- Making use of our superior numbers in a non-suicidal way is always a good idea
- This paves the way for more reliable methods of targeting, such as onboard homing

[Aseaheru]

 Transistors havent really been invented yet. There are FETs, which are fragile as can be and eat power, but tahts about it.

 My idea for the helicopter currently is should it work, and work the way it should, we can add bits to the sides to allow a few troops (Im currently thinking we should be able to get a total of eight on) to ride along.

[Kashyyk]

Modified the designed based on the lack of transistors.

[stabbymcstabstab]

I'll vote for the Helo  since it's the most pratical.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

I'm also voting for the Helicopter but think that we should start working on the SAM system next design turn.

[andrea]

yes, the SAM seems to be a worthy project.

But for this turn I stick to the copter. Although I still want to pressure the lead designer of this project to consider the idea of making the base model a 4 seater, so that should a bug be found in the prototype we can fix it and still have a sort of transport this turn, rather than delaying the project.