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[Captain_Action]

7x7 with only 9 tiles are wasted, houses 12 dwarves. 4 get an extra tile of space

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Can someone cram more in less space?

[Demon]

Technically, you could just put a bed in every single square.  They'd be pleased but when the economy starts it'll cause trouble.

[karnot]

quote:7x7 with only 9 tiles are wasted, houses 12 dwarves.  

Thats a barrack, not a housing block. Confusion of the terms, so to speak.

quote: Technically, you could just put a bed in every single square.

What he said.
7x7 barracks can host 48 beds in all.
Now, a housing block, with individual quarters, technically you can cram...hmm...i'd say 6 dwarves in 7x7 block.
Like this :

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[Shador]

quote:Originally posted by karnot:
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Thats a barrack, not a housing block. Confusion of the terms, so to speak.
</STRONG>

No, it's a housing block. There just aren't any walls or doors between the rooms.

Also, I don't think there's any penalty for dwarves moving through others' rooms to get to their own, so you could turn that corridor into two more rooms. I'd put the beds closer to the doors, too, to minimize walking distance for sleepy dwarves.

[karnot]

quote: No, it's a housing block. There just aren't any walls or doors between the rooms.

May i suggest that you consult the encyclopedia ?

[Shador]

But they'd be small individual rooms, not a single large bedroom with the "Barracks" option enabled.

[Aquillion]

quote:Originally posted by karnot:
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May i suggest that you consult the encyclopedia ?</STRONG>

Actually...  his setup isn't as bad as it sounds.  The trick is to expand each room to fill the entire area, overlapping each other.

Now, the value of overlapping rooms is cut by 1/4th, but that's a one-time penalty.  If you have eight rooms overlapping, they still only get their value cut by 1/4th each...  and yet each value-increaser is being counted eight times overall, for a net effect of doubling the value it's giving to your dwarves.  In other words, if you built eight rooms that entirely overlapped with each other, then engraved the whole overlapping floor, they'll each get eight times as much engraving as they would have before, getting twice the bonus even with the 1/4th penalty.  Likewise, their own bed is worth 1/4th its old value, but they factor in a total of eight beds, effectively doubling their bed-bonus.

And you can keep expanding to make these bonuses even higher.

In other words, right now there's no reason to not have every room overlapping...  as long as you have more than four, you'll profit.

[karnot]

quote:Actually... his setup isn't as bad as it sounds.  

Maybe its not that bad from technical point, but it looks like pure chaos,and confusing as hell. My sense of order rebels !

[RPB]

I think what Captain Action is talking about is making each of those beds into a tiny bedroom where each bed "owns" just the spaces right next to it, so you get 12 "bedrooms" with NO overlap and enough room to put a coffer and cabinet for each bed in there (although it will be an ugly confusing mess since it will be a 7x7 room stuffed with furniture!)

[Captain_Action]

That is correct, RPB. I guess I should've put that into my starting post.

[Aquillion]

Then their quality suffers due to your lack of surrounding walls for each room, though.  You'd do better if you just expanded each of them to fill the area.

[LordNagash]

All my bedrooms are at least 3 x 3. It makes keeping dwarves happy a lot easier, plus when nobles arrive I can just kick a dwarf out of a room, detail it and presto! Noble bedroom

[Shador]

quote:Originally posted by Aquillion:
<STRONG>Then their quality suffers due to your lack of surrounding walls for each room, though.  You'd do better if you just expanded each of them to fill the area.</STRONG>

Although with the economy in effect, you'd want to have cheap, low-quality rooms.

[qwip]

Is there a penalty for excessive foot traffic through a dwarf's bedroom? It seems to be cheating to string together a series of 3x3 bedrooms without hallways, so that a dwarf has to walk through a bunch of other bedrooms to get to their own.

Perhaps if a dwarf's bedroom door(s) are opened more than twice while they sleep, or someone walks through their designated bedroom "area", there would be a sleepiness penalty?

[Disruptive Idiot]

quote:Originally posted by Shador:
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Although with the economy in effect, you'd want to have cheap, low-quality rooms.</STRONG>

Only for your peasants, your dwarves that have jobs that pay more than hauling will want to afford as luxurious a room as possible.