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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2016, 07:06:04 pm »

Comprehensive list of demands made by Black Lives Matter groups across various colleges
TIME article
Concise set of demands

Some things of note:

Quite popular demands include reparations for slavery, community-controlled police forces, and various grants or subsidies to assist black people.

"We demand an end to the war against Black people" section 7 reads: "An end to the mass surveillance of Black communities, and the end to the use of technologies that criminalize and target our communities (including IMSI catchers, drones, body cameras, and predictive policing software)."

An end to body cameras? Only reason I can think of for that would be to so they can continue blaming police when shootings occur.

Reparations category is particularly interesting:
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Essentially demanding racial privileges.

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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2016, 07:10:23 pm »

An end to body cameras? Only reason I can think of for that would be to so they can continue blaming police when shootings occur.

Or because every grass roots movement includes some people who have more enthusiasm then knowledge.  You dont judge the movement based off the least informed members.
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2016, 07:11:35 pm »

The really sad thing is, we all know these things are legit stupid.
But the scumbag media spews about sides

WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON SOLDIER
fuck the police
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2016, 07:11:55 pm »

That's regressive left for you.
Equality by beating down the previously privileged and demanding privileges for [Insert race/gender here].

Nothing to see here anymore.
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2016, 07:15:36 pm »

That's regressive left for you.
Equality by beating down the previously privileged and demanding privileges for [Insert race/gender here].

Nothing to see here anymore.
Let's move on before some Trigger gets Triggered.

Yeah seriously guys lets bounce before BLM sees this thread and shoots it for inequality
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2016, 07:17:22 pm »

Or because every grass roots movement includes some people who have more enthusiasm then knowledge.  You dont judge the movement based off the least informed members.
I'm judging the organisation based off their official demands
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2016, 07:25:14 pm »

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Nothing to see here anymore.
Let's move on before some Trigger gets Triggered.
Can we not drag the conversation down to this level, please?

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Equality by beating down the previously privileged and demanding privileges for [Insert race/gender here].
How does the BLM movement "beat people down"?

Some of the privileges are reparations; others are intended to offset societal disadvantages African-Americans currently suffer as a result of racism, past and present. I haven't read the entirety of their demands, so I'll start by asking you: What are they asking for that you consider unreasonable?
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2016, 07:26:13 pm »

...Thanks for that info OW, huh.  Some of that is pretty out there.
An end to body cameras? Only reason I can think of for that would be to so they can continue blaming police when shootings occur.

Or because every grass roots movement includes some people who have more enthusiasm then knowledge.  You dont judge the movement based off the least informed members.
Yeah I mean, we shouldn't judge them based on what a tiny subset did in Dallas and got denounced for...  But this is their official list of demands, though?  That's seriously concerning.

Anyway, I was about to post this from their About page.  Basically a super-condensed summary of their concerns, I guess:

I'm having a lot of trouble understanding what they're saying with some of these.  I'm hoping that I'm misinterpreting some of them, and that crossreferencing with their full demands will make them seem... less absurd and offensive.
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2016, 07:38:15 pm »

Ooooooook....

Is that... actually what Black Lives Matter advocates?

Is this the freeken PETA thing all over again where it is a "Good cause" that is actually crazy when you actually look at what they want?
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2016, 07:39:57 pm »

It's two words that are part of a broader word soup of "surveillance bad".  Honestly, I can't say I see much difference between the overall message they are giving on surveillance and stuff people on this forum say.

Look past those two words at the list of demands regarding that topic:

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Federal Action:

End non-disclosure agreements between federal and local law enforcement agencies and publicize the surveillance technologies that police have access to, along with their capabilities.
Update the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) to demand and win federal law that establishes digital due process:
A civil rights act for the 21st century that includes electronic surveillance and internet rights reforms.
Federal and state legislation should require the use of a warrant in the application of a technology that captures the data of an individual or sets of people and disclose what data is being captured.
Federal and state legislation should establish rights over an individual’s information, with mechanisms that allows an individual to know when their information has been tracked and limits the amount of time their data can be stored.
Federal and state legislation should affirm the right to encryption, not weaken the technology.
Reform the Fourth Amendment for the digital age and an era of big data:
Federal and local agencies should prevent the use of predictive systems that erode the Fourth Amendment. 
Federal and state legislation should affirm and defend the constitutional right of civilians to record the activity of on-duty police officers.
Federal agencies should disclose the number of National Security Letters that have been served to media and tech companies.
Federal agencies providing grants for the purchase of surveillance technologies should attach conditions that protect the civil and human rights of vulnerable communities and specify how and when the technologies can be used.
Federal agencies should stop providing grants for the purchase of surveillance technologies to local police departments without the approval of local communities.

At no point does it say "take away the body cameras".

It just strikes me as "this too!"ism.  They were drafting a list of ways that people were being tracked and someone chimes in "dont forget about the body cameras!"  Which is rather unhelpful but technically a valid point.  And "rather unhelpful but technically a valid point" is a pretty excellent summary of a lot of opinions...
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2016, 07:41:56 pm »

Exactly, names are powerful, so when you invent a racist name the movement naturaly becomes its name

The Black lives matter movement is a racist movement asking for special treatment simple as that. How do you fight inequality and racisim! By being racist of course! /s


Its like saying Cat lives matter and arming all cats with assualt rifles because dogs exsist
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2016, 07:42:56 pm »

The Black lives matter movement is a racist movement asking for special treatment simple as that.

Oh god.  This again.
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2016, 07:43:27 pm »

I rather dislike how it's called 'black lives matter' in the first place and not 'all lives matter'.

Because it's the black people whose lives are treated as not mattering in this specific instance.

Would it be exclusionary to say "we really need to do something about the opiate addiction problem in rural areas" instead of "we really need to do something about the opiate addiction problem in all areas"?
It's horribly discriminatory to say that people with cancer should have access to an oncologist. Everyone needs to see an oncologist now and then!

It's horribly discriminatory to say that victims of oppression need justice. Everyone needs justice all the time!

This is exactly what how it is not grouped.

You are not saying people with cancer should have access to an oncologist. You are saying that people of a certain ethnic group should have access to an oncologist because they may (or may not) have an increased risk of cancer, while other people that have cancer don't get to.

You are pretending that some sort of prerequisite for being oppressed is being black.

It is exactly the fault you make to group people not by whether or not they are oppressed, but by the colour of their skin.
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2016, 07:45:49 pm »

The Black lives matter movement is a racist movement asking for special treatment simple as that.

Oh god.  This again.

Yes dont like it, suck a lemon
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Re: Black Lives Matter discussion thread
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2016, 07:47:05 pm »

You are pretending that some sort of prerequisite for being oppressed is being black.

Actually, no.

The Black lives matter movement is a racist movement asking for special treatment simple as that.

Oh god.  This again.

Yes dont like it, suck a lemon
Im sorry you have no understanding of racisim

Alas, you have proven that you truly understand all of this.  My ignorance is exposed.
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