So griffin, Jack, Tiruin, FoU, BHK, TMS, me, and juicebox claim the equivalent of vanilla townie. That leaves OSG, DA, and GA as (possibly) real power roles. Correct?
I'm of the opinion that there's something about our Two insane people (personally speaking :v, that or I'm secretly hated.) in coordination with their roles; in my brief skims and note readings, the probably sane folks only have ONE or odd-numbered powers, while the presumably insane ones have multiple ones.
I revive (once) out of pure hatred of Scilians. deterring the Mafia from silencing me in the middle of the night, or from hanging me upon a tree in order to distract us for at least another day. If I were any good at hunting scum, how could this possibly harm our chances of winning?
That's not what I learned, GayArchaea. My relelation said that youcan revive once out of pure hatred. (period) It seems that you just tacked that extra part on. If you have no other powers, why are you afraid of being silenced in the middle of the night? hmm!?
I'm of the opinion that YOU should be the lynch target, for organization rather than outright scum-points (as my only suspicion of you is your MANY POWAHS in contrast to the rest of us). a key telling point is that we ALL are probably cop-likes, so that may be a lead towards the nature of the game itself.
Why I say OSG is a probable target is because he can both PROVE HIMSELF
AND GA (because the latter, if town, should resurrect OSG if his flip is town).
I revive (once) out of pure hatred of Scilians. deterring the Mafia from silencing me in the middle of the night, or from hanging me upon a tree in order to distract us for at least another day. If I were any good at hunting scum, how could this possibly harm our chances of winning?
That's not what I learned, GayArchaea. My relelation said that youcan revive once out of pure hatred. (period) It seems that you just tacked that extra part on. If you have no other powers, why are you afraid of being silenced in the middle of the night? hmm!?
Oh dear, good sir.
How come you never mentioned that beforehand :v Aaaaaand only now are telling more of those details? :^
What provokes that blue part to have credibility in your eyes?
PPE: Even messier.
juicebox: Why did you inspect Fallacy?
ARGH Part III - The Illuminati Jack A T Mafia Conspiracy
I'm tangled up in two major conversations right now. One's the pretty one-sided one with Tiruin, and the other's the discussion I'm having with Fallacy.
I'm somewhat confident in saying that Tiruin is probably town. Why? It's simple: some of her earlier comments on me ooze confirmation bias, a mental shortcut that only really makes sense if one really holds the position one is wildly confirming.
I mean, just look at the following:
[BLARGHABLARGHASANITY]
Hmmm...
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Tiruin: You seem confused. You're not the hero here. You're a member of a criminal organization that generally tends towards a Sicilian membership, and you are flooding the thread with guesses about my planning and motives while missing the key element to my approach. You're not Montoya. You're Vizzini, and I, for one, am perfectly willing to go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line. This is particularly true when the iocane powder's in both cups.
...
Tiruin holds her finger up, then waggles it side to side in thought.
Ok, so...if you're scum, that's a brilliant fakeclaim, because it's pretty creative. I mean I'm honored to have such details in my really bland description, but to be honest I'm astounded and leading credence to other details that 'wow he's sincerely scum and doing that?'
Or I'm taking your counterpoint too seriously...
[...]then Jack is either scum-being-REALLY-forward or the sanity issue is something in mind.
Unvote in light of recent speculation, as even if I do believe Jack may be scum, the information being pressed forward is of high testing. Although since Jack was listed as Mafia by FallacyOfUrist (I erased in my notes that this is bussing, or either REALLY ORGANIZED BUSSING AND A FORWARD-DIRECT-ATTACK gambit with crazy flavor), and there's that silly note of me being in Sicily...
...
Hooooooly CHEESE.
Now, Tiruin starts moving away from this general position very quickly. However, she writes in a very stream-of-consciousness style, and much of her writing is very much immediate reactions to whatever she has read at the time. Her posts are, to a great extent, a record of her thought process, and her semi-immediate thought process at that point is unscumlike.
Anyway, these results are a mess. They are a mess, and they can't all be accurate results. There's enough incompatibles that the problem cannot reasonably be explained solely through liars. Something is messing with results. With this many cops, a form of structural inaccuracy (such as sanity) is the most likely problem by far (as opposed to, say, a single framer for some reason). There is no good cause, as far as I can tell, to hold any confidence in any N1 cop result yet.
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE AGREES WITH ME!
Tiruin: Anyway, let's talk a bit. I cannot help but question this entire sentence: my position isn't really new (it's basically just an expanded version of my "we've got sanity problems" comment with slightly less certainty), and unless you suddenly agree with my snarky dismissal of your framer theory, it's not your position.
Do you now agree with the snarky dismissal of your framer theory?
I've constructed the above idea because I know I'm town--but I also know TDS is town, and thus positioning accordingly.
And, for that matter, how do you know TDS is town, taking into account your agreement with my lack of confidence in N1 cop results? Note that you're portraying this knowledge as equivalent to your knowledge of your own alignment: high confidence. What do you base this on?
That said, given all the claims presented, I move forward with the offer of being the lynch target as of today.
Why propose pure-info-lynching in favour of scum-catching-lynching? We've already wasted one opportunity to lynch scum.[...]
Firstly and foremostly, I apologize for the brevity I give in response because in my offtime (ie The time when I read these and think about it alone), I've found a lot unspoken in quality regarding your insight and your ideas towards me--especially since in these times, my style as a player goes in seeing insight from assuming "your shoes". This does deserve a better quality of response but I'm PFPing because arrrgh-stuffs, hence the apology.
I am both appreciative and trusting in my reinforcement of seeing my initial impression of you as fallacious--as this degree of insight does broach a rather town-impression of you sans any of my notes indicating a seeming allegiance
to Chaos to scum. In my offtime, a closer scrutiny of how I viewed this process of assessment moved me to the ideal that this might actually something in a greater portion of you (or you're a third-party lone element).
Tiruin: Anyway, let's talk a bit. I cannot help but question this entire sentence: my position isn't really new (it's basically just an expanded version of my "we've got sanity problems" comment with slightly less certainty), and unless you suddenly agree with my snarky dismissal of your framer theory, it's not your position.
Do you now agree with the snarky dismissal of your framer theory?
But as a big note--I am mostly unaware of snark
This is more me speaking as a player rather than who I am here, as I rather take things as if they are meant, than if they are meant in humorous sarcasm or narrative. So when I did read you speaking of the Sicilian mafia, I thought firsthand that this was part of your (or rather, how I saw your) action upon me, so it got me really wondering 'wow, he's totally insane now', and the impression of snark didn't come to mind at all because the many thoughts of my consciousness had me pondering of the game style given the irregularity of all-cops and how the persistence of scum can affect the game.
fillipk: Two separate questions again needing answers to each:
> Is it possible for a game--hypothetically, THIS game--to have NO Mafia but third-parties? With context of contrast being based upon the wincon mentioned
in your own post...
> My next question would be--no matter what third-party exists; if the Mafia is eliminated, the Town will win?
And, for that matter, how do you know TDS is town, taking into account your agreement with my lack of confidence in N1 cop results? Note that you're portraying this knowledge as equivalent to your knowledge of your own alignment: high confidence. What do you base this on?
I...did mention I acted on TDS yesterday, hence I got the message he is town o_O
*reads harder*
Hum...While I do agree with your lack of confidence in the N1 cop results, how I saw it wasn't correlated to my insight into my own results--I mean sure, I could, or in a general sense, all those with TOWN results can be insane (ie We're all actually insane cops :v, which leads me to assume a new theory of 'there is a major role obscuring these results'...which I now recall is why I thought of an underlying theme and linked the "Enslaver" back
in one of my posts and why I did mention it as a presumable 3rd party)...but anyway, that agreement didn't connect with my own insight onto my own results at that time of writing :O CURRENTLY, the position still remains, however I am more open in seeing these things, as my basis rested on the number of town to scum ratio of results.
Why propose pure-info-lynching in favour of scum-catching-lynching? We've already wasted one opportunity to lynch scum.
Me thinking 'hey, I only have one ability and...seeing others claim cop--it would be fallible to assume that compared and contrasted to a normal...ish scumteam (ie 2 or 3 Mafia), so I would like to prove that there is the semblance of insanity by lynching myself--it will both forward my real wincon (ie Town wincon) and aid in information getting.'
Hence why my targets in favor of a lynch right now are outliers--either OSG, but NOT GA because of the presumed fact that they are the only ones whose cop-powers are NOT of the alignment type, and whom may clear each other out in that context--or myself, because I alone am confident in
my faith in the Emperor my own alignment (and if I do pop mafia or anything-not-town, then the GM is insane :v), and that I do consider myself, with respect to powers and abilities at hand, to be of sacrificial value as compared to what I can presume the abilities the rest of y'all have.
Also apologies for the pseudo-referencing of Warhammer 40k elements ._. I've been destressing too much
reading things in that nature, probably because of its humanistic vibes against many problems.
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