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[Ozyton]

You can actually see what they've done to fix that in the demo. If you get one of the Insight sections wrong a couple of times an optional hint option appears at the bottom of the screen. You don't really get any hints other than that.

Is that what happened? I thought I was completely missing a button. I kept trying to pursue the fact that the song thing was a warmup or whatever since that was the insight that changed, but after failing that a few times I clicked that button because I hadn't noticed it and it led me in the right direction. I wonder how obvious they make the hints in the actual game.

[Leafsnail]

I didn't notice it before, maybe it's always around. Anyway the point is it makes the hints optional which is good.

The demo did have an ambiguity problem though which I thought DD was very good at avoiding.

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Presenting the last statement on "Feeling: Pain" rather than the darkness doesn't work even though I think logically you're making the same point.

[Ozyton]

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I think the main issue with that is that the screen is already black, and you want to present that the view is black without him feeling pain, meaning that the pain wasn't the cause of the blackout.

Sometimes you have to view the problems from the dev's perspective. They don't always see things the way the player does, which is why there's sometimes these weird bounds in logic.

[Tawa]

The game's out! Well, it's been out for a while, but I only just had time to bump the thread :v

[Leafsnail]

Important note: there is a free costume DLC for the first week. Hell yes am I going to play this entire game as Furio Tigre.

[Tawa]

Capcom has noticed the memes

[Ozyton]

Did they replace ramen with hamburgers in the US version or something? I wouldn't be surprised.

[Culise]

Did they replace ramen with hamburgers in the US version or something? I wouldn't be surprised.

Yep; Maya's favorite food in the Japanese version was ramen, and burgers in the US version.  Some of the cultural "translations" have been mocked here and there.

Also...

Spoiler: Case 2 Day 1 Investigation spoiler (click to show/hide)

Good heavens, but I don't think I've met a character in Ace Attorney that I hated quite as much as Roger Retinz in quite a while.  Probably not since the final case of the second game; you'll recognize exactly who I'm referring to if you've beaten it without me even spoiling it.  It was laying it on a bit thick by the end, but I still love it, and I suspect I'm going to enjoy ripping him to pieces on the stand.

Of course, I suspect he's going to be a side-show; the mysterious "Mr. Reus" himself is almost certainly at the heart of this.  I wouldn't even be surprised to find he faked his own death.

EDIT: Also, thanks for the heads-up on the DLC.  I wouldn't have even realized there was Day 1 Free DLC for this game if you hadn't pointed it out, Leafsnail.

[Tawa]

I got to Case 4 today, currently working through the (first?) Mood Matrix segment.

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I, uh, don't like what I've seen so far, save anything that Blackquill says. Does it get better as it goes on?

[Culise]

Spoiler: Case 4 spoilers, entire case (click to show/hide)

I didn't think Case 4 was that good.  It was like someone realized that Athena hadn't had a case yet, so they decided to shoe-horn in a case before the big finisher since their pattern was alternating between the two courts.  It wasn't too bad, but it wasn't great.  If its intent was to show Athena could stand on her own two feet without the others, though, having Blackquill there helping and backing her up the whole way probably didn't help.

It also felt like someone on Capcom's staff also knows about the cultural translation issue and has decided to throw as many curve-balls as they can into the mix.  The case is pretty aggressively Japanese, culture-wise: rakugo, soba, udon (and I hope you know for the finisher that udon isn't made with buckwheat)...

Also, I think someone on the writing staff has it in for a very certain cravat.  I don't know why it always amuses me so.  :3

Spoiler: Case 5 spoilers, Day 2 - MAJOR SPOILERS FOR DAY 1 (click to show/hide)

Also, when will Phoenix learn not to give too much revealing information to untrustworthy people?  Telling the queen his partner was the adoptive son of the arrested rebel leader was fairly obvious in its foolishness, even if he hadn't known that said partner was also holding a certain object the rebel leader had hidden that the queen was after and had just finished grilling Phoenix about.  At least it doesn't end with Phoenix himself tazed on the ground of the evidence room this time.

I'm not sure how I feel about the first case, either.  It's basically 2-4 from the other side, after all.  You'd think he'd remember that case as well, and have come to some sort of conclusion.  There, though, where the idea of defending the guilty was a major peak of the entire game and it even gives you the player a point where you have to decide whether you're going to carry through with a not-guilty or turn your coat at the cost of Maya's life, here it was basically just a *shrug* before they get to the main event in Khura'in.

EDIT: Signs your parents may not like you: when your full name is Inga Karkhuul Haw'kohd Dis'nahm Bi'ahni Lawga Ormo Pohmpus Da'nit Ar'edi Iz Khura'in III.  Well, even for a Khura'inese name pun?  Datz Are'bal. 

[Tawa]

Spoiler: Case 4 entire case spoilers (click to show/hide)

I'm honestly not sure what to think about 4 either. I liked some parts of it--the bit about Uendo having multiple personalities was pulled off well, although I'm pretty sure that's not quite how dissociative identity disorder works (but I'll give it a pass since that's how it works in fiction-land.) Blackquill's dialogue was great as usual, and although I can't say I approve of his methods in the part where he grabs Athena by the collar for a rousing pep-talk, that camera-work was clever. I'd say that if it was a full-length case it would've been a passable filler case in any other AA game; it's just that SoJ's general extreme quality made it kinda lame in comparison.

Spoiler: Case 5 entire case spoilers, JFA Case 4 major case spoilers (click to show/hide)

@Culise: I'd agree that Phoenix working for Atishon isn't exactly on Engarde levels, but then again, it didn't really need to be, seeing as the main attraction of the case is Apollo and Phoenix overthrowing the Khura'inese government, rather than Phoenix having his second faith-shattering moral dilemma in eleven years.

That said, I think that Turnabout Revolution is my new favorite case.

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When you prosecute the defendant just right

[Leafsnail]

Man "Revisualization" is a simple mechanic but I think it really helps make the end of the trial more exciting. The end of case 3 one was really cool.

[Tawa]

The Great Ace Attorney 2 ~ The Enlightenment of Ryuunosuke Naruhodou confirmed.

[Aklyon]

The Great Ace Attorney 2 ~ The Enlightenment of Ryuunosuke Naruhodou confirmed.

Is that the sequel to the one we didn't get the first one of for some reason?

[Tawa]

The Great Ace Attorney 2 ~ The Enlightenment of Ryuunosuke Naruhodou confirmed.

Is that the sequel to the one we didn't get the first one of for some reason?

Yeah, this is the sequel to Dai Gyakuten Saiban: The Adventure of Ryuunosuke Naruhodou, the one with Sherlock Holmes and the not!vampire prosecutor.

I once wrote a couple paragraphs on Reddit about why the first one didn't get localized, and I don't want to track down the post or rewrite the whole thing, so, to paraphrase:

The first and foremost reason is likely actually the prevalent anti-Japanese racism of several characters. Some of it is rather low-key (like Tobias Gregson grumpily stating that all Japanese look the same to him), but certain characters (such as one in the first case) are rather aggressive about it, and then there's gems like Juror #1 in Case 3 calling Ryuunosuke a "yellow devil" and accusing him of using "oriental black magic" to get an edge in the trial. Of course, this is more for historical accuracy than some sort of weird self-hatred, but in this day and age Capcom is probably wary of some schmuck picking it up and thinking that they've got something against Japan.

Other possible reasons include:
-It's a niche title in a niche series. It was worth it in Japan because AA is a pretty decent seller in Japan and they could afford a weird old-timey spinoff title, but in the West, from Capcom's eyes, it's like trying to sell an American political miniseries in Madagascar. OK, maybe that was a hyperbole, but you get the picture.
-Wanting to avoid Investigations 2 syndrome. If the first one had lukewarm sales, then they wouldn't want to translate the second one. Problem is, DGS1 has a ton of unresolved plot points (among other things, [you never even find out the first killer's motive],) and it would be an extreme outlier in the series if the sequel wasn't localized.
-Focusing on translating Spirit of Justice. I hear that Janet Hsu tends to take six to eight months to localize a game, so she almost certainly had her hands full this past year.
-Avoiding clashes with the Conan Doyle estate over American production rights. They have something of a reputation for chasing down unauthorized Holmes stuff and using the last ten or so stories published (still under US copyright) as leverage.

There's this common misconception that the game is somehow "too Japanese to translate", or that Capcom is using that as an excuse. All of one case, the first case, occurs in Japan; 3/5 of the rest of the game is set in London (there's one case on an international steamship.) That case isn't even nearly as Japanese as SoJ case 4, and a Westerner could understand the thing with no "(translator's note: keikaku means plan)" moments at all.

If you're interested in DGS1, there's an excellent subtitled Let's Play of the game on Youtube. The game is great; it's a lot of fun to just watch, the courtroom antics are just as great as ever, and there's this insanely cool mechanic where Ryu points out contradictions in Sherlock Holmes' deductions. It's just as funny as any other Ace Attorney game; in particular there's a lot of great Sherlock Holmes references (my favorite is the scene where Holmes' ridiculous theory from "The Adventure of the Speckled Band" story gets torn apart.)