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[Rolepgeek]

So, Trolls, goblins, and frogmen seem immensely weaker than before, if one extra food means one extra unit, and you only produce two food per peasant.

For description: They're lanky, capable of minor body-morphing, see better in the dark than the light (though not absolute dark), slightly taller than humans in average but frailish for their size simply because they don't have a defined form. Fast for height, skin is sorta like soft, good leather, very inquisitive and curious, like knowledge...

[Roboson]

So, Trolls, goblins, and frogmen seem immensely weaker than before, if one extra food means one extra unit, and you only produce two food per peasant.

Can you explain your reasoning? Because each troll does 50% more damage still and eats more than a normal unit, and now you no longer need to have troll peasants who also eat more food.

 And goblins and frogmen, when you create a unit you get a second one for free. That doesn't seem too bad. Not all units require just one food to create. And you get a free unit without spending the resource costs.

[Demonic Spoon]

Leader Name: Nyan Nee
Main Race: Catmen Catgirls
Additional Race(s): Minotaurs (-10)
Technology: -60
Mining
Farming
Fishing
Masonry
Mana
Writing
Culture/Government Type: Democracy, one wildling, one vote. Purrsident for life.
Units:
2 Cat Peasant (-5)
1 Minotaur Soldier (-20)

Cavern Size: 11 (-5)

[ATHATH]

Leader Name: Nyan Nee
Main Race: Catmen Catgirls
Additional Race(s): Minotaurs (-10)
Technology: -60
Mining
Farming
Fishing
Masonry
Mana
Writing
Culture/Government Type: Democracy, one wildling, one vote. Purrsident for life.
Units:
2 Cat Peasant (-5)
1 Minotaur Soldier (-20)

Cavern Size: 11 (-5)

+1

[Rolepgeek]

Well for Goblins and frogmen, they get penaltiea compared to Elves, who accomplish the same thing by simply having more effective farmers.

I guess it's more intricate than that given the different ways of producing food, but still.

Trolls are already plain old weaker than Orcs, costing more food, but also if you wanted a troll civilization, they would also be weaker because of how many more units they would have to devote to gathering food or farming.

To be honest, I liked the civilization only getting one bonus thing. It meant that having multiple races was about flavor, not min maxing units. The bookkeeping will likely become horrific to manage there, too, with keeping track of each race's bonus and who has what unit of which race...

[Demonic Spoon]

+1

This isn't a suggestion game, we each make our own sheet and play it as separate players.

[Demonic Spoon]

Well for Goblins and frogmen, they get penaltiea compared to Elves, who accomplish the same thing by simply having more effective farmers.

I guess it's more intricate than that given the different ways of producing food, but still.

Trolls are already plain old weaker than Orcs, costing more food, but also if you wanted a troll civilization, they would also be weaker because of how many more units they would have to devote to gathering food or farming.

To be honest, I liked the civilization only getting one bonus thing. It meant that having multiple races was about flavor, not min maxing units. The bookkeeping will likely become horrific to manage there, too, with keeping track of each race's bonus and who has what unit of which race...

This is true.

[Roboson]

We could go back to it being for the entire civilization. I don't mind that if you guys don't. Honestly we could cut that out completely and players could do whatever they want for their race if you all don't dig it.

Trolls are stronger than orcs and their passive applies to enemy humanoids, not just monsters. So they have a better PvP passive.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

I'm fine with the current system (extra races cost points). I originally used it as a fluff thing but if there's mechnical benefits then I'm fine with juggling it around.

[Rolepgeek]

I hadn't noticed that nuance

Also, edited one of my posts with info about the Mashakev, if you wanna take a look. Not sure how much you were looking for.

[TopHat]

Spoiler: sheet (click to show/hide)

Leader Name: Abban'Ti
Main Race: Frogmen
Additional Race(s): None
Technology: Faith, Farming, Fishing, Hunting
Culture/Government Type: Theocracy; decisions are made by a council of the most senior members of the priesthood. The present head of said council is Abban'Ti the venerable.
Units:
Peasant (free),
Extra Peasant x2 (10)
Scout (10)
Warrior (10)
Farm (15)
Church Temple (15)
Cavern Size: 10

[Roboson]

I'm thinking that I may just stick with the race bonuses on units, or remove them completely. Does anyone have preference on which way that this goes?

[griffinpup]

Leader Name: Isaac Reborn
Main Race: Elves
Additional Race(s): Humans(10)
Technology: Farming, Road building, Masonry, Carpentry
Culture/Government Type: (If you allow it.  I'll change it if you prefer. I just want to explore this idea)  A anarcho-capitalist society with no formal 'government' structure, but with private enterprises fulfilling that role for individuals.  Basically, it's capitalist incentives dictating how different companies and groups work together to protect common interests.  Currently, since the population obviously isn't enough to support a complex structure like this, so the citizenry take turns rotating a leader, who's decisions have to be ratified by the current population.
Units:
Elven Peasant (free),
Elven Extra Peasant x2 (10)
Human Peasant x2 (10)
Human Warrior (10)
Farm (15)
Cavern Size: 11

[somemildmanneredidiot]

Leader Name: Isaac Reborn
Main Race: Elves
Additional Race(s): Humans(15)
Technology: Farming, Road building, Masonry, Carpentry
Culture/Government Type: (If you allow it.  I'll change it if you prefer. I just want to explore this idea)  A anarcho-capitalist society with no formal 'government' structure, but with private enterprises fulfilling that role for individuals.  Basically, it's capitalist incentives dictating how different companies and groups work together to protect common interests.  Currently, since the population obviously isn't enough to support a complex structure like this, so the citizenry take turns rotating a leader, who's decisions have to be ratified by the current population.
Units:
Elven Peasant (free),
Elven Extra Peasant x2 (10)
Human Peasant x2 (10)
Human Warrior (10)
Farm (15)
Cavern Size: 10

Your math is incorrect. 4 techs= 40, Units= 45 First subrace= 10. You have 5 points remaining.

[Kashyyk]

What do secondary races actually do?