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I'm not in a hurry; we're bound to find a sucker replacement eventually.

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Onward, even if we have a shambling zombie nation!

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Let it end, oh please let it end!

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You say you need a sucker replacement? Well, I AM that sucker replacement!

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Total Members Voted: 5

[Shadowlord]

Your capital scares us. We'd much rather you just died quietly, due to running out of candles.

Indeed.

[Shadowlord]

Next turn is two hours away and Talor hasn't sent any orders in.

[AlStar]

Is Talor Unexpected Nation #3 on Llama?

If so, we might need to look into a replacement - they (or someone, anyway... I desperately miss when Llama detected the names of custom nations) has staled the last 4 turns in a row.

Even if it is Talor - who is currently in rather dire straights - I wouldn't say that they're completely doomed - they've got a castle with troops, even if Talor itself is currently under siege.

[Shadowlord]

Wouldn't #3 be karlito/gunbad?

[AlStar]

Wouldn't #3 be karlito/gunbad?

It's definitely not, since they've been rather aggressively fighting back these past couple of turns.

[Shadowlord]

Oops!

[E. Albright]

The stale list is not in the same order as the turn submitted list. The turn submission list matches the nation numbers in the mod. The stale list? No idea, but it's not the same. However, I will note that Talor has been the last nation unsubmitted these past several turns. From what I've seen, everything points to that being our staler.

...

Also, by what my scouts have seen, at this point we probably don't want to hand Talor to a sub unless it's someone we don't like and want to sour on Dominions.

[Shadowlord]

Yeah, afaik they have only two forts left, one of which is already under siege and the other of which will probably also be next turn. (And no other provinces)

[Karlito]

The stale list is not in the same order as the turn submitted list. The turn submission list matches the nation numbers in the mod. The stale list? No idea, but it's not the same.

Yeah it's weird, being also different from the order nations appear in the confirmation email, which I think is pretender submission order.

[Shadowlord]

It never really matters (or mattered) with normal nations with normal names. :V

[Puzzlemaker]

Yeah I staled out, I was really busy and didn't really get home for awhile.  Also, I am going on vacation next week, but I have a laptop so I should be able to submit my turns.  Hopefully.  Maybe.

[E. Albright]

Pushed 12h since we had 3 (now 2, including Talor) outstanding turns at under 2h to host time.

[AlStar]

I'm wondering if we shouldn't force Talor to CPU control - the AI isn't great, but it'll do better than not having anyone at the helm at all - they do still have an unsieged castle, after all.

[Il Palazzo]

Talor has clearly given up on playing, Belburg is fighting their last battles. I'll PM USEC_OFFICER. Puzzlemaker might still have some fight in him, but if he doesn't really feel like going through the motions, he should delegate the responsibility of making his last stand to AI.

It's always surprising to me that this has to be repeated again and again, but it's always a better choice to set yourself to AI than just abandon the game. That's just basic courtesy, and people will not think less of you if you do that (but they will if you just leave it).

[Shadowlord]

In the battles I saw, Puzzlemaker was giving as good as he got, if not better. That won't save him, but it's still damn good and something to be proud of in that situation.

In situations like that or Talor's, I've generally only survived and come back (to some degree) through extensive diplomacy. I don't recall ever going on from it to win, but I enjoy seeing what happens to the rest of the world and you can't do that if you've been defeated.