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Author Topic: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0  (Read 1427863 times)

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17805 on: January 20, 2017, 12:21:57 pm »

Trump's address was pretty typically Trump.

And now we're back to your regularly scheduled prayers. I'm sorry if that annoys you, readers, but I still can't get over the sheer cultural shock that priests performing at political events in a supposedly not-shitty country induce in me.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17806 on: January 20, 2017, 12:24:34 pm »

Yeah, doesn't sound particularily unifying, but it's definetly uniquely a Trump speech.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17807 on: January 20, 2017, 12:24:49 pm »

I wonder if ww3 will start by a 12 year old kid hacking Trump's Twitter account and calling Putin's mom 'too ugly to grope'.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17808 on: January 20, 2017, 12:26:21 pm »

If his presidency is roughly in line with his speech, seems America will be stepping away from the global side to focus more on the domestic side.  At least, that is my impression.

And now we're back to your regularly scheduled prayers. I'm sorry if that annoys you, readers, but I still can't get over the sheer cultural shock that priests performing at political events in a supposedly not-shitty country induce in me.

If I had to guess, religion is more of a private issue in the culture you are from?
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17809 on: January 20, 2017, 12:28:11 pm »

I wonder if ww3 will start by a 12 year old kid hacking Trump's Twitter account and calling Putin's mom 'too ugly to grope'.

Hey, maybe Twitter will be the next place that has a major database leak. Those have certainly slowed down recently but there's still one or two a year.

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"Change my password? At least 12 characters? Let me tell you something, I've written a password or two in my time..."
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17810 on: January 20, 2017, 12:32:01 pm »

And now we're back to your regularly scheduled prayers. I'm sorry if that annoys you, readers, but I still can't get over the sheer cultural shock that priests performing at political events in a supposedly not-shitty country induce in me.

If I had to guess, religion is more of a private issue in the culture you are from?

He is Russian, and the Soviets atheist-itized Russia pretty good, so, yeah, cultural differences.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17811 on: January 20, 2017, 12:34:02 pm »

If his presidency is roughly in line with his speech, seems America will be stepping away from the global side to focus more on the domestic side.  At least, that is my impression.
I dunno, that "radical islamic terrorism will be eradicated completely" part was pretty interventionalistic in nature. I guess it's more like "America First, fuck everyone else".

And now we're back to your regularly scheduled prayers. I'm sorry if that annoys you, readers, but I still can't get over the sheer cultural shock that priests performing at political events in a supposedly not-shitty country induce in me.

If I had to guess, religion is more of a private issue in the culture you are from?
Well, yes. Most public displays of religion are basically forced by government and their cronies, and they are nearly universally seen in the Russian Internet community as, and I'm not really exaggerating here, a sign of a great intellectual failure and moral degradation of a Russian nation.

So yeah, cultural shock.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17812 on: January 20, 2017, 12:34:33 pm »

The orthodox church is pretty strong, tho.

And he's got a sweet hat.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17813 on: January 20, 2017, 12:56:45 pm »

The redeeming quality of American Protestantism and the top is that things are still pretty fragmented as far as religion goes. We don't really have one state owned church so much as many, many flavors of Christianity, sprinkled with other religions on top.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17814 on: January 20, 2017, 01:03:46 pm »

The redeeming quality of American Protestantism and the top is that things are still pretty fragmented as far as religion goes. We don't really have one state owned church so much as many, many flavors of Christianity, sprinkled with other religions on top.

We don't have a state owned or supported church, period, and yeah, without a central preferred church, people are free to branch off churches as they please.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17815 on: January 20, 2017, 01:06:27 pm »

Wew. Watched Trump's speech live. He actually used the term "eradicate" in regards to "radical Islamic terrorism". Actually using the term "eradicate" in the first official speech as president of the United States. Something something gas chambers something something Hitler.

If his presidency is roughly in line with his speech, seems America will be stepping away from the global side to focus more on the domestic side.  At least, that is my impression.
I am very much hopeful that Trump will be less interventionist. Aside from the islamic terror topic, and aside from how "bringing back factories and jobs" that were shipped to other countries for globalization will inevitably have influence on foreign nations and their economies.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17816 on: January 20, 2017, 01:07:19 pm »

I dunno, that "radical islamic terrorism will be eradicated completely" part was pretty interventionalistic in nature. I guess it's more like "America First, fuck everyone else".

I probably shorthanded things a bit much.  More accurate to say it is stepping away from interventionalist policies, unless it is a something in the vein of terrorism.

Well, yes. Most public displays of religion are basically forced by government and their cronies, and they are nearly universally seen in the Russian Internet community as, and I'm not really exaggerating here, a sign of a great intellectual failure and moral degradation of a Russian nation.

So yeah, cultural shock.

That's likely a side effect of long term soviet attempts towards Atheism.  I am not saying your views are wrong, but instead making the point as the USSR was their enemy, America was polarized in the opposite direction.  This is a side effect of that.  Things should start balancing out to an equilibrium in the near future as the generations that grew up in a time without that force polarizing them start to become a greater majority of the population.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17817 on: January 20, 2017, 01:15:49 pm »

Oh hey, he's signing orders!

His first order was for accepting Mattis, as far as I've seen.

Also, these poor children, what the fuck is wrong with people for forcing them to be in places where they clearly don't want to be?!
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17818 on: January 20, 2017, 01:17:59 pm »

I do think we need to sort of step back a little bit, but we've been dominant for so long that, well, how do you transition to being a more normal country while still having the same amount of geopolitical weight and not have the world order collapse because of a power vacuum.

Well, yes. Most public displays of religion are basically forced by government and their cronies, and they are nearly universally seen in the Russian Internet community as, and I'm not really exaggerating here, a sign of a great intellectual failure and moral degradation of a Russian nation.

So yeah, cultural shock.

That's likely a side effect of long term soviet attempts towards Atheism.  I am not saying your views are wrong, but instead making the point as the USSR was their enemy, America was polarized in the opposite direction.  This is a side effect of that.  Things should start balancing out to an equilibrium in the near future as the generations that grew up in a time without that force polarizing them start to become a greater majority of the population.

That trend is actually already starting, though not the majority yet.

Oh hey, he's signing orders!

His first order was for accepting Mattis, as far as I've seen.

That'd be the waiver most likely. Apparently he's approving various cabinet stuff I think? Largely procedural I guess.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: 2016, Version 2.0
« Reply #17819 on: January 20, 2017, 01:30:42 pm »

I do think we need to sort of step back a little bit, but we've been dominant for so long that, well, how do you transition to being a more normal country while still having the same amount of geopolitical weight and not have the world order collapse because of a power vacuum.

Really is a shame that the South America and Subsaharan Africa don't have any nations rising in prominence.  This would be a perfect opportunity for them to break the basically chokehold the Northern Hemisphere has on influence.  Might even have been able to cause people to think of the world more globally if there was one down there.  I mean, you could make the argument Austrailia is one, but it tends to get sidelined by other English speaking nations.
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