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[smjjames]

But I didn't say anything like that. I said it's blamed as anti-Russian hysteria by the Democrats. Do I have to spell the same thing out again:

- Conservatives traditionally blame liberals as being a commie front

- Now real evidence of Russian nefarious doings is appearing

- But that's clearly just liberal paranoia, with conservatives acting like they're baffled that you'd think the Russians would ever try to manipulate America.

Conservatives blame liberals on being a Russian front? Is that something real post 1990?

Yes

The Republicans have also been calling Obama (and Democrat ideas in general) a socialist all these years, nullifying whatever negative to the word that the Republicans were trying to imply because it's become near meaningless.

The politicians, at least publicly and AFAIK, aren't slinging the word communist around at Democrats. But, as long as the word Communist still triggers people, it's going to be in fashion to do that.

[Sheb]

Yeah, but saying he's socialist isn't the same as saying he's a russian stooge. Plenty of center-left party call themselves socialists.

[smjjames]

Yeah, but saying he's socialist isn't the same as saying he's a russian stooge. Plenty of center-left party call themselves socialists.

Not in America, at least not the ones with any political standing. Here, for those that lived during the Cold War, saying 'socialist' is auto-trigger for 'DIRTY COMMIE!', at least when thrown around in political discourse. I don't know how those people view European center-left parties that use socialist as part of their name.

[Dorsidwarf]

Yeah, but saying he's socialist isn't the same as saying he's a russian stooge. Plenty of center-left party call themselves socialists.

Not in America, at least not the ones with any political standing. Here, for those that lived during the Cold War, saying 'socialist' is auto-trigger for 'DIRTY COMMIE!', at least when thrown around in political discourse. I don't know how those people view European center-left parties that use socialist as part of their name.

If I'm not mistaken , didn't one of these people with no political clout narrowly fail to become the Democratic nominee?

[martinuzz]

Why do I get the feeling that the Secret Service's main objective will not be to 'protect the president when the need arises', but rather 'take out the president when the need arises'..

[Reelya]

One handy thing is that Google allows you to search specific date ranges for hits. "Obama Russian Agent" (limited to dates of 2008-2014) gives back 10/10 hits on the first page, saying that Obama was indeed a commie agent of the KGB:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/mike-huckabee-janet-porter-soviet-spy

Huckabee Adviser: Obama is a Soviet Spy

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-russian-agents-obama-and-the-cover-up/

Has the possible penetration of the U.S. Government by foreign spies become a laughing matter for the Obama Administration? Are they fearful that a realistic review of what the Russian agents were doing would lead to the conclusion that Obama’s foreign policy plays into the hands of the Russian government and has in fact been manipulated by the Kremlin?

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/04/15/russian-official-obama-is-a-communist-kgb-agent/

Russian Official: Obama is a Communist KGB Agent

http://www.westernfreepress.com/2014/07/19/could-obama-be-plant-of-kgbmuslim-brotherhood/

Could Obama Be a Plant of the KGB and the Muslim Brotherhood?

[McTraveller]

I'm kind of curious as to what Russia would be actually accomplishing if they did "infiltrate" the US government or whatever.  Is it that they would get a free pass for whatever activities they are doing in Europe? Is it that they think they would get a free pass to doing stuff in the Arctic?  Do they think they will get tax dollars from the US population?

I've got to believe it's more the former two than the latter; I don't think Russian leadership really has any interest in the actual US landmass.  The really sad thing is it really does seem like national leaders are playing some kind of board game, where the vast majority of the population of countries just wants to eat and be comfortable / entertained.  Maybe it really is bread and circuses where as long as the controlling parties just dole those things out to the masses, the masses just don't care.

[TempAcc]

Why do I get the feeling that the Secret Service's main objective will not be to 'protect the president when the need arises', but rather 'take out the president when the need arises'..

Praetorian guard, mah boi, praetorian guard.

[Radio Controlled]

Trump says U.S. not necessarily bound by 'one China' policy

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U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said the United States did not necessarily have to stick to its long-standing position that Taiwan is part of "one China," questioning nearly four decades of policy in a move likely to antagonize Beijing.

Trump's comments on "Fox News Sunday" came after he prompted a diplomatic protest from China over his decision to accept a telephone call on Dec. 2 from Taiwan's president.

"I fully understand the 'one China' policy, but I don't know why we have to be bound by a 'one China' policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade," Trump told Fox.

"Give Trump a chance" - Obama, making probably the biggest mistake of his life.

No more basis for Sino-US ties if one-China policy is breached, says Beijing

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Foreign ministry expresses China’s extreme concern over Trump’s remarks that US doesn’t have to stick to the long-standing position

China warned on Monday that its ties with the United States would be jeopardised if the Washington did not stick to the one-China policy.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said during a regular news briefing that China was “extremely concerned” about US president-elect Donald Trump’s comments that Washington did not necessarily have to stick to its long-standing position that Taiwan is part of one China.
“The one-China policy is the political foundation for the healthy development of the Sino-US relationship,” Geng said.

“If this foundation is disturbed, there are no grounds to talk about further developing the healthy and stable relationship between China and the US, and their bilateral cooperation in major aspects.”
Geng’s remarks came after Trump questioned whether Washington should continue with the one-China policy if Beijing did not make concessions on trade and other issues during an interview on Sunday on the US news programme Fox News Sunday.

“I fully understand the one-China policy,” Trump said. “But I don’t know why we have to be bound by a one-China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade,” he said.
Chinese state media went on the offensive after Trump’s remarks, slamming the US president-elect for being “as ignorant as a child in terms of foreign policy”.
Beijing would have no reason to “put peace above using force to take back Taiwan” if Trump abandoned the policy, which recognises Taiwan as part of China, stated the editorial in the Global Times, which is published by the People’s Daily.

Additional reporting by Reuters and Agence France-Presse

[McTraveller]

one-China stuff

I guess maybe our president-elect should be a little more tactful, but I don't think China is in the clear on this one - they are acting like a child themselves, saying "hey our way or we take our ball and go home!"

It doesn't help much that it's basically ye olde territorial claim dispute.

[Neonivek]

I know I am being stupid but my opinion of this is kind of... Screw China...

Mind you... Trump is doing it more out of ignorance and more not wanting to bend over backwards for someone who ultimately isn't even a strong ally with the USA...

Then him basically doing a "Take that" to China because of their numerous... >_> Well... China isn't exactly a "Good" country... We will put it at that.

[ChairmanPoo]

The big question is whether it will have consequences or not.

[hector13]

Well, Trump isn't even president yet, and he's already pissed off China and basically said he doesn't trust his intelligence services.

Bad things come in threes, as the saying goes. What do you think he's going to fuck up in the 5 weeks or so before his inauguration?

[smjjames]

Yeah, but saying he's socialist isn't the same as saying he's a russian stooge. Plenty of center-left party call themselves socialists.

Not in America, at least not the ones with any political standing. Here, for those that lived during the Cold War, saying 'socialist' is auto-trigger for 'DIRTY COMMIE!', at least when thrown around in political discourse. I don't know how those people view European center-left parties that use socialist as part of their name.

If I'm not mistaken , didn't one of these people with no political clout narrowly fail to become the Democratic nominee?

I meant political parties, not people specifically, and Sanders didn't have 'no' political clout.

one-China stuff

I guess maybe our president-elect should be a little more tactful, but I don't think China is in the clear on this one - they are acting like a child themselves, saying "hey our way or we take our ball and go home!"

It doesn't help much that it's basically ye olde territorial claim dispute.

It's more than a territorial dispute to them. To the Chinese, Taiwan is a breakaway province.

It also doesn't help that China has been escalating military flights around Taiwan recently, which is bothering our ally Japan.

Meanwhile, China is literally setting itself up for a trade war. The article itself is about Europe, but it's equally relevant for the US. Obama is likely to fire the first shots in a potential trade war.

I could see this potentially escalating shortly after inauguration....

Well, Trump isn't even president yet, and he's already pissed off China and basically said he doesn't trust his intelligence services.

Bad things come in threes, as the saying goes. What do you think he's going to fuck up in the 5 weeks or so before his inauguration?

TBH, I'm a bit surprised that the White House hasn't told him to STFU (not publicily anyway) and stop screwing around before he's even inaugurated yet.

Also, McConnell has broken from Trump and joined the other Senators (including Minority leader Chuck Schumer) in doing an investigation into the Russian hacking and meddling.

[Neonivek]

Well, Trump isn't even president yet, and he's already pissed off China and basically said he doesn't trust his intelligence services.

Bad things come in threes, as the saying goes. What do you think he's going to fuck up in the 5 weeks or so before his inauguration?

Man... Trump has a LOT of threes stacked up now.