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[Rockphed]

trouble is without regulation everyone who is not the company pays the price they avoided. supporting deregulation is the calling card of the corporate shill.

Regulations do not have to be about controlling externalities.  Consider the case of airline flights.  At one point in the US airline flights were strictly regulated by the FAA.  Nobody could fly any flight except the ones the FAA approved and they could only charge the prices the FAA allowed.  Then the airline industry was de-regulated and chaos reigned!  Prices went up!  Prices went down!  Nobody knew which way was up!  And yet, within not terribly long, the prices stabilized.  In fact, they generally stabilized at a lower level than they were under the regulated regime.  They have since gone up, and some flights stabilized at a higher level but deregulation led to more good for more people.

Next, consider the sugar tariff.  Because of the sugar tariff, domestic producers of sugar sell sugar for about twice the world price of sugar.  Because they cannot sell all the sugar they produce domestically, they also sell sugar to the rest of the world.  If we deregulated sugar (and thus allowed free trade to prevail), the domestic price of sugar would drop by a large fraction of its current level.  High Fructose Corn Syrup would no longer be economically preferential to sugar, so total acreage of corn would go down.  Well, total acreage of corn that is turned in to high fructose corn syrup.  Food would taste better, and people would be happier.  Ironically, both sugar growers and corn growers love the sugar tariff.

[Sergarr]

Trump just got Japan to invest 50 billion gorillion dollars into the USA

The money will come from SoftBank’s previously announced $100 billion technology fund, according to a person familiar with the matter. That investment vehicle has a $45 billion commitment from the government of Saudi Arabia and $25 billion from Tokyo-based SoftBank, which operates technology and wireless companies around the world.

If you apply Trumpsters' standards of evidence re:Hillary, this means that Trump has just been 100% ultra-confirmed as being Saudi shill.

[Vilanat]

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-misleading-tweet-new-air-force-one-price-2016-12

https://financesonline.com/8-most-expensive-planes-in-the-world-how-much-does-it-cost-to-fly-like-the-elite/

Trump is an idiot for taking it out on Twitter like that, but the response from the Trump haters is just as idiotic.

I see lot's nitpicking over the 4BN price tag, and even fake news of the contract only amounting to $170M.

3.2BN could likely go overbudget to become 4BN. i don't get irrational arguments like "But POTUS needs the AF1 for safety and so he could manage a nuclear war from the air!". Trump never argued against that, he just, probably correctly, estimated the current contract to be inflated on the expense of american tax payers. does he care about the american tax payers? definitely not, but even as a populist action, it is one which is for the benefit of the people.

Trump just got Japan to invest 50 billion gorillion dollars into the USA

The money will come from SoftBank’s previously announced $100 billion technology fund, according to a person familiar with the matter. That investment vehicle has a $45 billion commitment from the government of Saudi Arabia and $25 billion from Tokyo-based SoftBank, which operates technology and wireless companies around the world.

If you apply Trumpsters' standards of evidence re:Hillary, this means that Trump has just been 100% ultra-confirmed as being Saudi shill.

Yeah, i was going to mention that. why would the US need or want money from that corrupted totalitarian kingdom is beyond me. it would be better in the long run to just politely decline any investments coming from these types of countries.

[Loud Whispers]

If you apply Trumpsters' standards of evidence re:Hillary, this means that Trump has just been 100% ultra-confirmed as being Saudi shill.

There is a difference between Saudi Arabia investing in American industry versus your politician receiving "donations" from Saudi Arabia into their personal foundation

[Lord Shonus]

"But POTUS needs the AF1 for safety and so he could manage a nuclear war from the air!".

That's not even what Air Force 1 is for. That's what NEACAP is for, and why there is always an E-4 deployed to wherever the President happens to be.

[Vilanat]

If you apply Trumpsters' standards of evidence re:Hillary, this means that Trump has just been 100% ultra-confirmed as being Saudi shill.

There is a difference between Saudi Arabia investing in American industry versus your politician receiving "donations" from Saudi Arabia into their personal foundation

Yes, but still:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Air_Line_(cable_car)#Criticisms

The contract also forbade the mayor or Transport for London from criticising the United Arab Emirates royal families, the UAE government, or the contract.

[TheBiggerFish]

If you apply Trumpsters' standards of evidence re:Hillary, this means that Trump has just been 100% ultra-confirmed as being Saudi shill.

There is a difference between Saudi Arabia investing in American industry versus your politician receiving "donations" from Saudi Arabia into their personal foundation

Yes, but still:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Air_Line_(cable_car)#Criticisms

The contract also forbade the mayor or Transport for London from criticising the United Arab Emirates royal families, the UAE government, or the contract.

Such a clause is unenforceable in the US, thank the First Amendment...

@Rockphed:[citation needed]

[Vilanat]

Regardless, Investment equals Influence.

[Loud Whispers]

Yes, but still:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Air_Line_(cable_car)#Criticisms

The contract also forbade the mayor or Transport for London from criticising the United Arab Emirates royal families, the UAE government, or the contract.

I'd be more worried about actually useful and vital things being controlled by foreign states

A picture of the TfL notice was posted to Reddit, with the message: "MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: EMIRATES CABLE CAR TO BE CLOSED FOR 7 DAYS! HOW WILL WE LIVE?"

No one uses this, and I have never even seen the cable cars in my life, the DLR and Jubilee line are superior in every way. Moreover by standard we do not let organizations like the TFL act politically, for example there was a notable case where our government stopped state owned industries from boycotting Israel
Money buys influence yeah, but like the cable car, it has to buy something of worth otherwise the influence is worthless. Until then, foreign investment makes jobs. Lots and lots of jobs. It's how you turn shitholes into Singapores

[Rockphed]

@Rockphed:[citation needed]

I'm assuming you are talking about the airline thing since the sugar tariff stuff is straight out of any economics textbook.  Here is Supreme Court Justice Steven Breyer in 2011:

What does the industry's history tell us? Was this effort worthwhile? Certainly it shows that every major reform brings about new, sometimes unforeseen, problems. No one foresaw the industry's spectacular growth, with the number of air passengers increasing from 207.5 million in 1974 to 721.1 million last year. As a result, no one foresaw the extent to which new bottlenecks would develop: a flight-choked Northeast corridor, overcrowded airports, delays, and terrorist risks consequently making air travel increasingly difficult. Nor did anyone foresee the extent to which change might unfairly harm workers in the industry. Still, fares have come down. Airline revenue per passenger mile has declined from an inflation-adjusted 33.3 cents in 1974, to 13 cents in the first half of 2010. In 1974 the cheapest round-trip New York-Los Angeles flight (in inflation-adjusted dollars) that regulators would allow: $1,442. Today one can fly that same route for $268. That is why the number of travelers has gone way up. So we sit in crowded planes, munch potato chips, flare up when the loudspeaker announces yet another flight delay. But how many now will vote to go back to the "good old days" of paying high, regulated prices for better service? Even among business travelers, who wants to pay "full fare for the briefcase?"

[martinuzz]

Trump's refusal to attend security briefings is just silly.

"Sir, there's an urgent intelligence briefing waiting for you"
"No, I'm busy"
"Something something Pearl Harbour"
"Bothering my while I play Pokemon Go with the president of Taiwan? You're fired."

[smjjames]

If you apply Trumpsters' standards of evidence re:Hillary, this means that Trump has just been 100% ultra-confirmed as being Saudi shill.

There is a difference between Saudi Arabia investing in American industry versus your politician receiving "donations" from Saudi Arabia into their personal foundation

Yes, but still:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Air_Line_(cable_car)#Criticisms

The contract also forbade the mayor or Transport for London from criticising the United Arab Emirates royal families, the UAE government, or the contract.

I didn't know London had some sort of aerial cable car system. Also, sounds like something that is impossible to get rid of.

[Spehss _]

SimCity taught me that loans are bad and that power plants explode after 50 years.

One of these seems more applicable to life than the other.

Trump just got Japan to invest 50 billion gorillion dollars into the USA

wtf I love Trump now

[Loud Whispers]

I didn't know London had some sort of aerial cable car system. Also, sounds like something that is impossible to get rid of.

Exactly, no one uses it or cares about it, not even tourists

Trump just got Japan to invest 50 billion gorillion dollars into the USA

wtf I love Trump now

this is hwo trump will make anime real

[smjjames]

Since Canada is the US's hat (and I have no idea where the Canadian politics thread is), this goes here.

Trump-like politics invades Canada by way of a 'lock her up' chant (aimed at a Canadian politician, not Hillary).

You have our sympathies Canada.