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[Criptfeind]

You had 8 years to change that shite system, you haven't. changing it now, like this, would be far more damaging to the U.S than the election of a "Fascist" demagogue president for 4 years.

A++ trump style illogic. Things aren't perfect now, so they've clearly not been getting better and the people in power most recently are to blame. The fact of the matter is we have been taking (slow, halting, and ultimately likely not that effective admittedly) steps towards this. And a vast majority of the progress has been done over the last eight years.

[UXLZ]

Well, considering that the majority of voters actually preferred Hillary, violating the letter of the law would preserve the spirit, in this case.

I've been repeatedly told that the spirit of the law is to stop the high population areas from screwing over the lower population ones, so... No, it would violate both law and spirit.
Then again, it's not like a trifling thing like "law" is something Hillary actually cares about, so who knows what'll happen?

No, no, if folks want to continue trying to change you can take your lie in it and sod off. Live with it, maybe, but going supine because shit can't be fixed this very second is probably half the reason the bloody system's stayed as buggered as it has.

Some folks also seem to be forgetting that dems were grumbling about the EC and electoral reform all through obama's terms, and before as well. Most of the impetus towards subversion hasn't given two damns about whether it's benefiting them right this instance. They just want the system unscrewed.

Continue trying to change it? Great, that's awesome, I agree! The EC is actually just a minor part of the electoral process' problems (which is totally fucked and fundamentally flawed as a whole) but it could still use a bit of tweaking.
Trying to change it to subvert the results of an election that has already occurred under said system? Nah-uh. No can do. You don't get take-backsies, and the popular vote margin was thin as a fucking razor anyway.

[Shadowlord]

Obviously, they need to rule as co-presidents. Trump can handle the tweeting, Hillary can handle the governing. #notaserioussuggestion

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Trump announces Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State pick, civil war starts immediately.

[PTTG??]

Well, considering that the majority of voters actually preferred Hillary, violating the letter of the law would preserve the spirit, in this case.

I've been repeatedly told that the spirit of the law is to stop the high population areas from screwing over the lower population ones, so... No, it would violate both law and spirit.

Ah yes, I recall how John Adams famously stated, "city people are terrible and their votes should be worth less than those of farmers for some reason."

[Rolan7]

You had 8 years to change that shite system, you haven't. changing it now, like this, would be far more damaging to the U.S than the election of a "Fascist" demagogue president for 4 years.

You mean 2 years, right?  The president doesn't change the constitution, Congress and the states do.
Also those 2 years were defined by Republicans filibustering the shit out of everything...  Reminder that they're considering removing the filibuster now that it doesn't serve them.  Shameless.

Anyway, the electoral college is designed to allow faithless electors.  Seems dumb, we've always said it's dumb, yet Republicans refused to help get rid of it.  If it bites them in the ass now, you won't see me crying.

Again, it was literally designed to allow this...

[Vilanat]

You had 8 years to change that shite system, you haven't. changing it now, like this, would be far more damaging to the U.S than the election of a "Fascist" demagogue president for 4 years.

A++ trump style illogic. Things aren't perfect now, so they've clearly not been getting better and the people in power most recently are to blame. The fact of the matter is we have been taking (slow, halting, and ultimately likely not that effective admittedly) steps towards this. And a vast majority of the progress has been done over the last eight years.

Thanks for trying to insult me. i find it rather amusing.

The bottom line here is that the system people went out to vote on the 8th November was the EC system you haven't managed to change so it doesn't matter what kind of turtles carrying decrees you sent from Alaska to Washington noticing the government of the pending system change. a contract was signed by the government and its people detailing the system by which the people vote for. that written contract had completely altered how people voted or refrained from doing so. that voting system, accepted by you upon voting, had a certain outcome. you don't like that outcome so you are trying to change that by pandering to a meaningless statistics that is heavily skewed by the very same system you are trying to change. excuse my Trump levels of logic, but if i may, where the hell is the logic in all of this?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

You had 8 years to change that shite system, you haven't. changing it now, like this, would be far more damaging to the U.S than the election of a "Fascist" demagogue president for 4 years.

You mean 2 years, right?  The president doesn't change the constitution, Congress and the states do.
Also those 2 years were defined by Republicans filibustering the shit out of everything...  Reminder that they're considering removing the filibuster now that it doesn't serve them.  Shameless.

Anyway, the electoral college is designed to allow faithless electors.  Seems dumb, we've always said it's dumb, yet Republicans refused to help get rid of it.  If it bites them in the ass now, you won't see me crying.

Again, it was literally designed to allow this...

No it wasn't.

That's not - for some bizarre reason - the vote that matters. In an essentially two-party race.

Why is that, again?

No, that's such a widespread misunderstanding that it might as well be a conspiracy theory. Faithless electors are not and have never been the intention of the EC, they're just an unfortunate consequence of it (which is why it's illegal in so many places, and would be illegal in all of them if anything had ever been decided by a faithless elector as opposed to the protest votes they really are).

The electoral college exists as a relic of the US beta testing democracy and a Presidential system between an association of 13 different states all with very divided opinions on what that all should look like. To give you the short form, slaveholding states supported having Congress elect the President because their slave populations were counted under the 3/5ths Compromise for the number of representatives they would have, while free states supported having a direct popular vote because the lack or relative rarity of slaves meant they would have more influence electing the President.

The electoral college was the most easily agreed upon system to prevent everybody from killing each other or smothering the union in its cradle and becoming vulnerable to the European powers/Canada/each other.

We've been trying to get rid of it ever since. You might think of it as a generational curse, almost.

Totally called it on the generational curse thing, by the way.

The purpose of the electoral college is to promote mutual peace between the states who keep men in the state of perpetual slavery and those who do not.

[UXLZ]

THIS VIDEO IS GREAT.

I have no fucking clue who this guy is, but it's great. Apparently some news guy.

[Shadowlord]

that voting system, accepted by you upon voting

Come now, this isn't a clickwrap software license agreement. You accept it when you're born a citizen!


(or when you apply for citizenship)

[Crashmaster]

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/

Validity of source in question though.

'In question,' might not be enough of a condemnation.

[Criptfeind]

I'm not saying that it'd be a good thing for the electoral collage to decide on Hillary. I've, in fact, argued against it. Just that your comment on "had eight years to change" is totally untrue.

Furthermore. The contract between the people and the state is that they can vote and then the electors can do what they want. Up to and including discarding the will of the people. That's how it was before, during and after the election. Sure, it'd... Be a really bad idea for them to change. On a practical level. But the systems already placed us in a point where the outcome, no matter what it is, is fucked up.

[miauw62]

You would need 60 million American signatures on that petition for it to actually start mean something.

And even if you do manage to get that, and by some weird chanced occurrence enough electorates betray their party and vote for her, i don't think you actually understand how bad that would be for the U.S.

Remember folks, you should only respect the results of an election when they're your preferred results. Subverting a system you'd been defending so long as it served your purpose is .

I've been saying that the process by which the president is elected is an utter pile of bullshit for a while now, and I'd still like it to be changed, but it's too late for this cycle. You made your bed, now lie in it.

I agree with you in general  (then again, I'm not American, so I'm not as invested as some), but theoretically petioning EC voters to betray their party is perfectly legal. Not all states have votes preventing that.

[UXLZ]

So, Trump won the popular vote too, apparently. (Assuming that's not just a lie.)

Now what?

I agree with you in general  (then again, I'm not American, so I'm not as invested as some), but theoretically petioning EC voters to betray their party is perfectly legal. Not all states have votes preventing that.

Yeah, it's totally legal as far as I know, but it sets a bad precedent of just sort of ignoring things whenever they feel like it suits them. It needs to be popular vote always (which Trump won anyway apparently), or popular vote and EC instead always. Not a mixture of both.

[Shadowlord]

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/

70news dot wordpress dot com? When it shows up on 538 or the washington post or the like, rather than a blatantly pro-trump site, then I'll consider that it might be true.