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[NullForceOmega]

Colin Powell did not mishandle information.  Dubya isolated him from the intelligence community and fed him false intel.  THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

[MasterFancyPants]

Unlikely you support someone who hates you.

Ok lets put it another way.

Trump won those people over IN SPITE of the fact that he is racist, and sexist, and is a bigot, and is morally bankrupt, and has a VP nobody likes...

Because people chose "Make American Great Again", they didn't chose the racism part of what Trump said.

Well ok sort of... A lot of Americans were for the racism part...

You can keep on saying, "he is racist, and sexist, and is a bigot." However, saying something doesn't make it true.

Morally Bankrupt... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDzRtZLUkc

And he has a VP nobody cares about, because nobody cares about any VP.

[Rolan7]

Colin Powell did not mishandle information.  Dubya isolated him from the intelligence community and fed him false intel.  THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

...Uh, I wasn't claiming that Colin Powell lied about WMDs?  Kinda confused as to how you got there, even though I was vague
Nah Colin Powell was lied to about that, and was pretty cool about it considering.

I just mean that he followed improper security protocols in much the same way that HRC did!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/08/former-secretary-state-colin-powell-gave-clinton-tips-for-private-email-use.html
And the mainstream media barely cared...

[Neonivek]

As for morally bankrupt...

Well there is the whole hiring for construction by small buisnesses only to not pay them knowing that they are too poor to actually send him to court for very long... Which is by its nature specifically putting people in the poor house so you can become just a little bit richer.

Or the whole Trump University Scandal.

Or his notorious tendency not to pay back his investors.

Or his abuse of the American Bankruptcy laws.

Trump will follow the laws, that is for sure, but he has no qualms over stretching and abusing them for money no matter who it hurts. Actually wait he will break the law as well, so long as he knows he can get away with it.

as for... "No he isn't racist and sexist" what extra does he have to do to MORE fit into the very definition? No really...

[Rolan7]

Unlikely you support someone who hates you.

Ok lets put it another way.

Trump won those people over IN SPITE of the fact that he is racist, and sexist, and is a bigot, and is morally bankrupt, and has a VP nobody likes...

Because people chose "Make American Great Again", they didn't chose the racism part of what Trump said.

Well ok sort of... A lot of Americans were for the racism part...

You can keep on saying, "he is racist, and sexist, and is a bigot." However, saying something doesn't make it true.

Morally Bankrupt... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDzRtZLUkc

And he has a VP nobody cares about, because nobody cares about any VP.

It's kinda relevant now because the Republican establishment openly hated him in the primary, and may very well impeach him for the multitude of things he's currently being sued over.
And then we have a motherfucker who wants to fund reeducation camps for gays.
I CARE

[martinuzz]

So I read that the court has proposed Trump and the students sueing him try to settle with a financial compensation, after Trump asked the court to postpone the trial, for he is too busy being instructed and installed as a new president.
When is the date set for his rape trial?

[Lagslayer]

But that's just it. He's being largely excused because he hides behind a thin veil of civility. Yet, everyone knows exactly what he's implying. It's a game of lies. When I want to call someone out, I actually CALL THEM OUT instead of pretending to be the victim, because if I weren't open and honest about it, I really WOULD be as horrible and manipulative as they are. This game needs to stop.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Told you so.

[sprinkled chariot]

Those machines and their programs are vetted by the U.S. government, and are inspected prior to the elections.  In order for them to have been altered in such a way indicates a conspiracy of titanic proportions, which while not impossible is so unlikely as to be laughable.

He was joke candidate and just thinking about probability of Trump winning other GOP guys used to be laughable, then idea of Trump defeating dems was laughable.

[Sergarr]

Yeah but really what could be done about the Trump presidency?

Like even if the protests worked and American decided "Hey, maybe Trump isn't the best president and Clinton should be in charge" what could they even do?

Which is why I consider these protests to be letting off steam.

I think it's important that this be met with protests.  If we all lay down and let it happen, that would send a bad message.
Yeah, Trump will be the president.  Everyone knows that.  If anything, that makes the protests more meaningful.

I wonder what you would've said if the situation was reversed and it were Republicans that protested the nomination of Hillary Clinton.

Something tells me it'd be the opposite of that. Because protests are only good when they support your side, amirite?

[Neonivek]

Yeah but really what could be done about the Trump presidency?

Like even if the protests worked and American decided "Hey, maybe Trump isn't the best president and Clinton should be in charge" what could they even do?

Which is why I consider these protests to be letting off steam.

I think it's important that this be met with protests.  If we all lay down and let it happen, that would send a bad message.
Yeah, Trump will be the president.  Everyone knows that.  If anything, that makes the protests more meaningful.

I wonder what you would've said if the situation was reversed and it were Republicans that protested the nomination of Hillary Clinton.

Something tells me it'd be the opposite of that. Because protests are only good when they support your side, amirite?

If the situation was reversed I would have been RELIEVED!!! I was worried there would be riots or armed resistance (because... Trump implied people should do it... and we have had a lot of talk about doing it)

Riots are an embarrassment.

Heck Parliamentary Brawls are an embarrassment.

[NullForceOmega]

Those machines and their programs are vetted by the U.S. government, and are inspected prior to the elections.  In order for them to have been altered in such a way indicates a conspiracy of titanic proportions, which while not impossible is so unlikely as to be laughable.

He was joke candidate and just thinking about probability of Trump winning other GOP guys used to be laughable, then idea of Trump defeating dems was laughable.

Is this supposed to suggest that hacking or otherwise tampering with those machines is in some way comparable?  Because that sounds like false equivalence to me.

[Rolan7]

Told you so.

And I concede.  The presidential nominee should be based off charisma, grandiose promises, and some outright lies rather than any semblance of reality.
I am salty but I am also 100% genuine, I was wrong.  I have become a few years more jaded and pragmatic.

Yeah but really what could be done about the Trump presidency?

Like even if the protests worked and American decided "Hey, maybe Trump isn't the best president and Clinton should be in charge" what could they even do?

Which is why I consider these protests to be letting off steam.

I think it's important that this be met with protests.  If we all lay down and let it happen, that would send a bad message.
Yeah, Trump will be the president.  Everyone knows that.  If anything, that makes the protests more meaningful.

I wonder what you would've said if the situation was reversed and it were Republicans that protested the nomination of Hillary Clinton.

Something tells me it'd be the opposite of that. Because protests are only good when they support your side, amirite?

Nah, protests are a sign that the electorate cares and is engaged.
Nobody ought to riot, but that's different.  Burning in effigy isn't rioting.
Though someone who burns Hillary in effigy because she's going to take their guns... is just deluded.  Hardly alone, but still deluded.

I protested against Bush, kiddos.  We didn't get violent, we were just loud.  I stand by those years as arguably the best of my life.

[Rolepgeek]

But that's just it. He's being largely excused because he hides behind a thin veil of civility. Yet, everyone knows exactly what he's implying. It's a game of lies. When I want to call someone out, I actually CALL THEM OUT instead of pretending to be the victim, because if I weren't open and honest about it, I really WOULD be as horrible and manipulative as they are. This game needs to stop.

Because that ever accomplishes anything.

You know, the thing with doubting anyone who plays 'the victim card' is that sometimes you end up doubting actual victims too, just like the inverse is true. You will be civil, or I will report you. That's the rules of war. You don't use chemical warfare, you don't use child soldiers, you keep track of your minefields, and you don't insult other forumites personally. You don't do it. It's what allows us to keep this space for collective use. It's not a game anymore than pretending to surrender so you can get one up on your enemies is (war crime, btw). So stop, Lagslayer. Flamewars are unacceptable.

[smjjames]

So I read that the court has proposed Trump and the students sueing him try to settle with a financial compensation, after Trump asked the court to postpone the trial, for he is too busy being instructed and installed as a new president.
When is the date set for his rape trial?

I've heard December, however, everything I've read about it, especially the fact that it's being led by someone notorious for outlandish claims on celebrities, makes it stink to high heaven of troll.