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[smjjames]

That's not - for some bizarre reason - the vote that matters. In an essentially two-party race.

Why is that, again?

We Americans are asking ourselves that question too. There IS a movement to change the way how states award the electoral votes, it's getting pretty close to the threshold to go into effect and could be in effect by 2020.

[Baffler]

People NEEDED to get this out of their system AND frankly people being too civil is also a problem.

So how many cars did you burn? Be the change you want to see in the world.

But you're not even American, are you?

Honestly dude, let's not let the USA turn into a third world tier democracy where the transition of power is accompanied by widespread violence.

[Neonivek]

So people are harsh on Hillary but then I remembered the inherent Republican advantage (I hope I am not mixing it up and it is democrats who have it).

Hillary got a LOT of required votes while Trump barely got any.

People NEEDED to get this out of their system AND frankly people being too civil is also a problem.

So how many cars did you burn? Be the change you want to be in the world.

But you're not even American, are you?

Honestly dude, let's not let the USA turn into a third world tier democracy where the transition of power is accompanied by widespread violence.

I state that I mean protests... not riots.

Riots are embarrassing.

[smjjames]

Okay, so, anyone think there's going to be sustained campaigning at the electors?

At 290 ECV (Michigan technically hasn't been called yet, but it won't affect the results), you'd have to see more than 20 (36 if Michigan goes to Trump) electors revolt to change anything. The three that have already said they'd be faithless won't affect things and could still go ahead anyway as a protest. There would have to be a large number of nevertrump electors (whether coordinated or not) turning into faithless electors in order to affect things, and given the halfhearted protests in the Republican Convention, I doubt it.

Please let that actually happen...Please let that actually happen...

I was about to say something along the lines of that being a butchering of democracy...

But... Then again the best thing about this is it might actually give Clinton the untold power to actually get rid of the Electoral College.

Given how 'Republicans fall in line', I really doubt it, and the nevertrump movement basically fizzled. But yeah, who knows.

Still, doing that would be an excersize in uselessness because throwing it to the House would just still result in Trump-Pence.

Eh?
How do you figure it'd go to the house?

If neither candidate gets 270, it gets thrown to the House, but um, it's not 100% clear what the procedure would be because the last time it happened was over 100 years ago and it's only happened once, maybe twice. And one time was when the Whigs tried to run four candidates at once.

[TheBiggerFish]

Okay, so, anyone think there's going to be sustained campaigning at the electors?

At 290 ECV (Michigan technically hasn't been called yet, but it won't affect the results), you'd have to see more than 20 (36 if Michigan goes to Trump) electors revolt to change anything. The three that have already said they'd be faithless won't affect things and could still go ahead anyway as a protest. There would have to be a large number of nevertrump electors (whether coordinated or not) turning into faithless electors in order to affect things, and given the halfhearted protests in the Republican Convention, I doubt it.

Please let that actually happen...Please let that actually happen...

I was about to say something along the lines of that being a butchering of democracy...

But... Then again the best thing about this is it might actually give Clinton the untold power to actually get rid of the Electoral College.

Given how 'Republicans fall in line', I really doubt it, and the nevertrump movement basically fizzled. But yeah, who knows.

Still, doing that would be an excersize in uselessness because throwing it to the House would just still result in Trump-Pence.

Eh?
How do you figure it'd go to the house?

If neither candidate gets 270, it gets thrown to the House, but um, it's not 100% clear what the procedure would be because the last time it happened was over 100 years ago and it's only happened once, maybe twice.

Unlikely it's going to turn out that way.

[smjjames]

I'm not sure what actually WOULD happen because it's been so long since it happened previously and so much has changed. It's rather arcane really.

[Frumple]

House votes on the president. Simple majority, far as I'm aware. Senate votes on the VP. Don't think there's much arcane about it.

[smjjames]

It would still be an excersize in uselessness anyway because it changes nothing, except maybe re-opening the fractures within the GOP.

[smjjames]

So people are harsh on Hillary but then I remembered the inherent Republican advantage (I hope I am not mixing it up and it is democrats who have it).

It was the Democrats who were supposed to have the inherent advantage, the fabled Blue Wall, but we all saw that melt away like it was nothing. It probably never actually existed in the first place.

[Frumple]

Nah, it did, it just had a key to the gate. And for whatever reason the key that was already there and spinning to keep things shut didn't matter enough. Probably the damned voodoo curse, or the sabotage efforts finally managing to drown things entirely.

[UXLZ]

Wonder how partisan this country can get before it enters civil war. Seeing as this was yet another uptick in that regard. Guess time will tell.

Honestly, both sides seem to be boiling over.

[Strife26]

Wonder how partisan this country can get before it enters civil war. Seeing as this was yet another uptick in that regard. Guess time will tell.

Honestly, both sides seem to be boiling over.

It's seemed like that after every election I can remember.

[smjjames]

Yeah, the polarization seems to be worsening, at least in the current state of the two parties: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-were-no-purple-states-on-tuesday/

Still though, this is a chance for the Democrats to shake up their coalition, they HAVE to moving forward.

Wonder when they'll do that autopsy of theirs.

[Frumple]

Huh. Now that you mention it, I am a little curious how that's going to turn out. Particularly how maddeningly enraged I'll be when they ignore the existence of rural/non-city liberals and everything those folks and their own policies do for the populations related to them. Not sure how much I'll blame them for being afflicted by the voodoo curse, but still.

... actually, what I'd really like to see is what the internal one is going to be. Because the external one's probably not going to be able to acknowledge that lying out your ass works better than anyone really seemed to notice before, or be able to mention the probable need to figure out a way to scalp the entire media industry, and those seem to be two of the bigger takeaways from this election.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Civil war? Really? Guys, fellow Americans, for shame. Seriously, that's a fucking massive overreaction. Calm your fucking tits people. It's not the end of the world. That's the real fucking problem with the aftermath of this election, people fucking going off their rockers. Yes, the retarded bigots, "fundamentalists", uneducated racists, and homophobes thinking they have new license is fucking insane, but so are people literally crying, rioting, shutting down highways with protests and what have you. It's all fucking embarrassing, as a self-proclaimed moderate I fucking shake my head in disgust at how most people have reacted to this in one way or another.

Open your fucking eyes, give yourselves a hard slap. It's really fuck all. I want to fucking grab people by the collar tell them to get back to their meaningless existences. Donald Trump is hardly the first controversial president, and as of right now, he's not even the most extreme. Do I have to remind you oh-look-how-sweet-and-progressive-america-is idealists of the relocations and gradual genocide of the Native American peoples? How about American Imperialism? How about the Robber-Barons and the Gilded Age? How about large scale invasions, interventions, and meddling in the Middle East that have effectively radicalized an entire region and destroyed the only powers keeping those radical elements in check, all stemming from once wanting to get one over on the USSR?

AND ON THE OTHER END: Let's remind ourselves that Trump was not only the most liberal potential Republican candidate this year, but also that POTUS ain't shit. You have a Congress full of Far-left Socialists and Far-right Religious Extremists, one group that want's to turn the US into a welfare state and the other that wants to turn us into a christian nation of uneducated retards. Groups whose only redeeming qualities are not being hateful and being kinda okay with money, but not even really, respectfully. The President is the LEAST of the US's problems.