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[DJ]

It doesn't, I'm just trying to explain. They were blindsided by his success so they mostly just flailed around in panic. I reckon if suppression was properly organized it would've been more effective.

[TempAcc]

Rarely the kek levels have been this high

Bless you, 2016.

[wierd]

And they would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling kids Russian hackers and wiki leaks.

[Frumple]

I do think that the DNC probably deliberately or through inaction sabotaged Sanders, and it was totally a fuckup on their part.

Man, I think all I can really do is repeat that if what we've seen, or even a fair bit more, was enough to sabotage sanders he was a weaker candidate than I thought.

I think the resignation involved was a matter of a sacrificial lamb to not run off the Berners.

Nah, looked more like it was a salve for sanders specifically. Iirc it was already pretty obvious the berners (i.e. that last ~20% or so, iirc, of sanders supporters) were more or less lost causes so far as dem support goes. Not because of ideology or policy mismatch or anything (because for the Nth time, it's worth noting there wasn't much difference between the candidates besides rhetoric and political skill), but just because it wasn't sanders (or some other anti-establishment/socialist-in-at-least-title/whatever candidate, I guess) anymore. Sanders, on the other hand, was still being kinda' an egotistical little shit, and his shenanigans were actually causing problems (which was kneecapping his own stated goals, too, but hey, sanders is considered a fairly incompetent politician for a reason). So they tanked the optics hit and tossed folks out.

That's why I don't want Sanders to run again, he'll never get their full backing like an actual Democrat would, especially someone who isn't tainted with the stink of losing the last few primary or general elections, if only there was someone like that who could run in 2020.

Eh, the smell following around sanders that would prevent full democrat support is just... him. The whole years of antagonism thing, on top of his actions in this last election, particularly when he buggered off back to being independent (I guess it could still theoretically end up being like he claimed it would be, and he'll return to the DNC and actually be a democrat once his current term's done, but breath, holding, etc.). He put a fair bit of effort into showing he wasn't hopping on board in good faith.

Though I don't want him to win, personally, because at this point he's kinda' just proven himself a pretty bad political operator, however decent a demagogue or ideologue he is (and he's kinda' inflexible in a lot of ways as that, too, which ain't a point for if you're looking for one of those).

[Max™]

The smell I meant was the stink on Clinton, actually.

Max, he ran as a democrat. Not independent.

Unless you intend to go all no true Scotsman here.

He literally wasn't a Democrat except for the 2015~2016 period when he ran as one, and then he went back to being an Independent like he had been since literally before I was born. His term as an Independent is old enough to run for President, and so am I... which seems like less terrible an idea than it did a couple days ago, for some reason.

Well... It looks like the Simpsons actually called this election, down to the actual state by state results, in 2000...

That is... Surprising.

Close, but not quite: http://www.snopes.com/simpsons-trump-prediction/ it was a clip from the Fox shorts for 2012 (which had a similar map, except the Rust Belt states going red) and one from 2015 when Trump announced he was running.

[wierd]

When he joined is not important. That he joined, and was accepted, *IS*.

[PTTG??]

The Democratic hatred of Bernie Sanders is as bad as liberals refusing to vote for Hillary. Worse, in fact, since if the Democrats had accepted Bernie Sanders, we would not be living inside of the laziest parody of American Politics.

[nenjin]

Are you implying the Simpsons were lazy?!

[Frumple]

Doubtful he would have managed it, but eh. If it makes yeh feel better.

Dunno if I'd call it hatred in my case, though. Don't like 'im nearly as much as I did and I don't want him anywhere near a major political position*, but the support for leftwards stuff is still appreciated. Mostly.

*Maybe call later, when changing political track to impossible promises and comforting lies being a good idea internalizes more

[smjjames]

You know, the ranked voting method that Maine is now experimenting with would solve the whole 'spoiler effect', this article is practically an argument for ranked voting system: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/third-party-candidate-gary-johnson-jill-stein-clinton-loss (yes, it says 'did the third parties cost the election?', but it's an objective article)

Actually, anything OTHER than FPTP would solve the spoiler effect.

[alway]

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing
And so the hate crimes begin.

[Max™]

I like Bernie, I am unable to express how much incredibly fucking happier I would be if he had gotten the nomination and managed to win instead, 'ifs' and 'buts' aren't candy and nuts sadly.

When he joined is not important. That he joined, and was accepted, *IS*.

Just like Trump having what can only loosely be called policies comprising a mishmash with spots of overlap into conservative positions and a message that allowed him to take over the apparatus with the mercenary attitude to capitalize on it makes him a Republican?

Nah, they elected him and have to deal with the implications of it, and Bernie has to deal with the links to the Democratic party that come from the success he had, but the idea that they have to support him wholeheartedly is farfetched. His policies have overlap from the left wing overlap, but there are things he would push hard for that would never make it as mainstream Democrat positions. There is a reason he has and has had an (I) next to his name instead of a (D), just like Trump with the ($) next to his name until he put on the (R) to run.

[smjjames]

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing
And so the hate crimes begin.

Geeze, hatecrimes are really spiking up. Unfortunately, I don't think Trump will do anything to stop it.

[Loud Whispers]

Just like Trump having what can only loosely be called policies comprising a mishmash with spots of overlap into conservative positions and a message that allowed him to take over the apparatus with the mercenary attitude to capitalize on it makes him a Republican?

I like this criticism of Trump because it's probably the one that got closest to terminating his campaign race before it started

Ted Cruz's sly implication that Trump embodied "New York values" was a clever way of implying that Trump was pretty much everything the anti-establishment sentiments were opposed to, only worse as it was an apparent attempt by a pro-abortion, pro-LGBT, pro-big media, pro-big government big city liberal e.t.c. that was merely adopting all these bold talking points as that - talking points, to appropriate the GOP. Then Ted Cruz walked into a cunning ruse when Donald tricked him into criticizing New York itself, and then getting Ted Cruz to apologize for insulting New York and the memory of 9/11. It was quite a stunning turnaround but thereafter, few loud voices were paying attention to whether Trump believed what he said, as his opponents thereafter were more concerned with stopping him for what he said. I don't think abandoning that line of criticism on account of Cruz's failure indicated that criticism was a failure, as I think it was more the fact that Ted Cruz is Ted Cruz that it failed

I suppose now is the time to see whether Don delivers, but a bit too late to affect the election lol

[Wolfhunter107]

He's run it before, so I guess you just need to look to the state of the DNC while he ran it before.

He was extremely effective, apparently. He was instrumental to the huge success in the 2006 midterms, partially because of backlash against Bush, but also because he tried to be competitive in just about every state, and worked to get new candidates involved at the local level. It was extremely effective, and even got Democrats elected in places like Texas and Mississippi. He also pioneered internet small-doner fundraising and grassroots organization (which eventually evolved into the system that got Obama elected) during his 2004 campaign, which also was notable for being really anti-establishment.

The one problem I see is that he's apparently a pharma lobbyist, which has inspired a backlash by Sanders supporters who are pushing that fact like its the only thing he ever did. No idea how much that's actually going to translate into votes against him, though.