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[Wolfhunter107]

"Clinton wasn't a suitable candidate" > It's the best that ever existed

I can't believe there's people on this forum that actually think Clinton was the best candidate for Dems. Before the primaries were over it seemed Bay12 pol threads were for Bernie and hated Hilldawg.

In all honesty, I'm pretty baffled by this myself. At the start of the campaigns, Bernie was clearly the favorite candidate in this thread, and now people are somehow pretending they were with Hillary from the start. Hell, many even lamented when Bernie fell out of the race.

It's two different groups of people, really. The pro-Bernie people just aren't really the ones talking right now.

[Innsmothe]

"Clinton wasn't a suitable candidate" > It's the best that ever existed

I can't believe there's people on this forum that actually think Clinton was the best candidate for Dems. Before the primaries were over it seemed Bay12 pol threads were for Bernie and hated Hilldawg.

In all honesty, I'm pretty baffled by this myself. At the start of the campaigns, Bernie was clearly the favorite candidate in this thread, and now people are somehow pretending they were with Hillary from the start. Hell, many even lamented when Bernie fell out of the race.

<- Bernie bro
Collectivism is it's own just reward, failure. Something I have learned, the almost religious wave behind Bernie scared people and destroyed him.
I chose to rebel to stick to my conviction.

Bernie a career politician whos never held a real job in his life


Yeeeeah no thanks

Welcome to Trump land.
Bernie was the only candidate that could beat him.

[TempAcc]

I'm not saying I supported bernie. Hell, I always kind of saw him as an idiot populist parasite, but its pretty undeniable that he had a shitton of support here. If there's any revisionism going on here, its regarding that.

Where are the berniebros of yesterday?
Where did they come from, and where did they go? These things, I shall ask.

[Neonivek]

Frankly it is very likely Bernie would have lost even harder to Trump

BECAUSE he is so "not corrupt"

without the ec, people in nyc, and other dense areas would dictate how food is grown without even the slightest idea how that process works.

see for example, how good that worked in stalinist russia.

That is how things work IN THEORY... However in actuality it doesn't quite work that way.

Since, one thing to remember, is the most "Rural" people, as in the people growing food... Are in the most populated states.

Trust me the EC doesn't help small states get better representation or Rural people.

[Antioch]

"Clinton wasn't a suitable candidate" > It's the best that ever existed

I can't believe there's people on this forum that actually think Clinton was the best candidate for Dems. Before the primaries were over it seemed Bay12 pol threads were for Bernie and hated Hilldawg.

Gotta love things like this:

"I got over 200,000 fewer votes than my opponent yet I still win!"

Democracy.

My understanding of the electoral college is that the system is supposed to keep all states or regions with roughly similar influence in the presidential election outcomes. If it was purely popular vote all a candidate would probably ever care about or campaign in would be the urban population centers of the nation, and not care about rural or small towns at all.

Now all candidates only care about swing states, why bother to even campaign in a state like California? It was proven that swing states receive more political favours.

[Powder Miner]

Hell, Leafsnail, Neonivek -- who do you think I voted for?

[Neonivek]

Hell, Leafsnail, Neonivek -- who so you think I voted for?

I don't know. Green Party?

[KingofstarrySkies]

Ahem.

Well, fuck, I guess all we can do is hope he'll calm down and not be too terribly horribad? If you need me I'll be weeping and watching that clip of Bernie and his cute little bird friend over and over and over. It's so sweet.

"...There may be some symbolism here..."

[Kot]

without the ec, people in nyc, and other dense areas would dictate how food is grown without even the slightest idea how that process works.

see for example, how good that worked in stalinist russia.

I have a feeling that if you changed the way you vote, you would have a civil war every four years. The real problem here is that American system is basically forcing people to choose between two candidates.

[wierd]

agreed. FPtP is what needs to go. Not EC.

[Antioch]

without the ec, people in nyc, and other dense areas would dictate how food is grown without even the slightest idea how that process works.

see for example, how good that worked in stalinist russia.

How is that the case at all, ec does not change the actual influence of the cities at all. All it does is favour winning more ec votes slightly over winning fewer ec votes heavily.

51% of votes or 99% of votes does not make a difference at all.

[Powder Miner]

>Stein
noooo
I was a Johnson voter, as meaningless as that might be -- but I hope is more understandable given that I live in California.

I wasn't bringing up precedent there as any sort of defense for the man, because the view is atrocious, what I was saying that I doubt something fierce. that gay marriage is going to get overturned. It's not like Anthony Kennedy ceased to exist, so replacing Scalia would hardly allow it even, would it?

[Innsmothe]

agreed. FPtP is what needs to go. Not EC.

CGPGrey has a very good video on the failings of FTTP in comparison to a staggered electoral system.
The latter is far superior as it collects third/fourth/fifth party votes to one of the two finalists for contention.

[martinuzz]

It's actually similar to most religious stances on the subject - be gay if you want, thats your thing, but marriage is sacred so stay the fuck away.

But then you'd have to be consistent, and forbid muslims, jews, agnosts, atheists, scientologists, Pastafari etc etc from marrying as well. Because i't's sacred and they should stay the fuck away.

[ein]

Im not sure gay marage is anyones main concern atm

speak for yourself

It's actually similar to most religious stances on the subject - be gay if you want, thats your thing, but marriage is sacred so stay the fuck away.

that would hold water if marriage were a purely christian institution, but it's a secular institution and people frequently marry for immigration and economic benefits

on top of the fact that marriages have been performed in (to the best of my knowledge) every culture, even predating christianity

of course, all of this is ignoring the fact that marriage is a very shallow, surface issue and there are other issues regarding lgbt discrimination and healthcare that need to be handled, and none of which the republican party is likely to handle favourably