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[Sprin]

Gurentee if you or I were born into the same possision we couldn't turn it into billions

Success is success credit were its do, or are you blinded by your hatred?

[Phmcw]

I admire the efficiency of the Democrat propaganda machine, and I am quite relieved that it didn't work completely.

Any argument against the actions of the Democrat is countered with "we were just too right".

"the political line was too corporatist" > It had to be this way or else we'd lose the election

"The campain against Trump relied way too much on fearmongering" > That's because he and his supporters are homophobic racists monsters

"Clinton wasn't a suitable candidate" > It's the best that ever existed

"The DNC machinations ruined the Democrats credibility" > they owed nothing to Sanders

I'm sure that if I point out Obama disgracefull treatement of wistleblowers they'll find a reason for that too.

[Innsmothe]

I admire the efficiency of the Democrat propaganda machine, and I am quite relieved that it didn't work completely.

Any argument against the actions of the Democrat is countered with "we were just too right".

"the political line was too corporatist" > It had to be this way or else we'd lose the election

"The campain against Trump relied way too much on fearmongering" > That's because he and his supporters are homophobic racists monsters

"Clinton wasn't a suitable candidate" > It's the best that ever existed

"The DNC machinations ruined the Democrats credibility" > they owed nothing to Sanders

I'm sure that if I point out Obama disgracefull treatement of wistleblowers they'll find a reason for that too.

First point you made, they still lost the election
Trump broke precedents, it;s time the DNC did the same and worked on an openly socialist election plan.

[Antioch]

>Trump inherits wealth

>increases that wealth immensally

>is a terrable buissnessman

Trumps wealth grew at about the average rate for companies during the whole period. He is a surprisingly average businessman.

[nenjin]

I mean, I detest the man, but he did hit on an excellent strategy. Whether he did it by skill is another matter, but... it's not a pure dice throw that elected him.

He channeled populist anger towards Obama. The only strategizing he did was separate himself from the Republican party so he was an "outsider" instead of an "insider." And that got people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Romney to turn out in droves.

It really speaks of how out of touch some one is when they thumb their noses at them and dismissively disregards their lives and opinions based of a (arguably misplaced) sense of superiority.

You voted for a no-substance candidate who is vulgar, inarticulate, mistrusted by the rest of the world, flip flopped more than any candidate in my living memory and has only his business experience as a rationale for running. What, exactly, should I be waiting for to express a sense of disapproval?

They are Americans, we are one people. Lets act like it.

Uh huh. Amazing how this profound sense of unity comes out after your team wins. Fuck knows it wasn't present earlier.

Gurentee if you or I were born into the same possision we couldn't turn it into billions

So your argument is because you don't know better, just trust him? Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

[wierd]

Prediction:

Trump will funnel money into domestic fossil fuels, emissions will go sky high, he will deny climate change even further (or possibly blame china for our emissions), neuter the EPA (because they will call him on the china lie), neuter the FCC (because they have been kicking ISPs pretty hard lately, and thats anti-business), will be instrumental in repealing ACA (now that people are on it, it will be quite bad), and will load the supreme court with raging GOP ideologues, which will of course find in favor of the religious nuttballs and big business at every turn.

America will not be great.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Sucks for everyone else, not him. Egoistical empathyless vermin, not stupid.

Destroying the world around you is not a smart thing. Selfishness is inherently a sign of immaturity and stupidity. It is demonstrably the inability to understand that all factors are connected and the effect that such actions have one one's own self as well. Egoism only makes sense if you are an omnipotent god.

They are Americans, we are one people. Lets act like it.

I was going to break the rules and get banned here, but given the state of things I thought better of it.

Instead, I'll just say this. We are not one people. Not before, and certainly not now. No matter how much people who love or even just accept Trump want to say over and over that "we're all AMERICANS" it isn't true, and it's never gonna be true until we drop our national delusion that we can be a priori fair and equal.

Donald Trump is not my President, and those who support him are not my countrymen. We have no values in common and sure as hell don't have the same view of what America is. I reject.

This is gonna be a long four years.

[Kot]

I am sure there will be multiple tries to assasinate him. Dude is a huge walking target, and while he survived a few attempts already, the CIA whoever needs to get lucky once.
I bet that if it would happen it would be blamed on IS or something to make America angry. Apart from the inside job memes, it wouldnt be the only sketchy thing in yer history.

[Sprin]

Gurentee if you or I were born into the same possision we couldn't turn it into billions

So your argument is because you don't know better, just trust him? Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I should just trust you and Hillary then right?

Who won the presidency despite the establishment backing their oposition 100%

[TempAcc]

Calm yourselves, no need to start flaming and get defensive over your favorite barrel shaped politician, don't paint me as the ultimate antichrist supersatan just yet, you've done that a lot to a whole shitton of people already, and that didn't get you far. Sit down and grab a beer.

BRING IN THE DANK MEMERY, IT'S TROLLTIME

Yeeeea, if anything the dems and all their supporters pretty much handed the election to Trump. Wake up call, guys, maybe alienating anyone who doesnt imediately agree with you by calling them huge racists, bigots and misogynists isn't the best idea ever for a presidential campaign.

Lol, apparently Clinton ran on a platform of hate. Really, tell me more.

"They're sending their rapists, their murderers..."

pussygate

srsly tell me that's not racism/sexism

That was pretty terrible of him yea, but here's the thing, Trump being Trump, acted as the buffon he has always shown himself to be and went along with it, even explaining himself, altough very half assedly. This was, of course, used against him by the Hillary campaign, except it was just kind of repeated forever? And for a while, that was pretty much the only argument raised against him in multiple (non debate) instances? Hell, it was all over the media, and it was still seen as a minor issue in comparison to the shit that got thrown on Hillary (benghazi, clinton foundation money laundering, wikileaks stuff, the emails, etc). Not to mention that said issue got minimized by a lot when the Wiener scandal came up. What happens when you got sexual harassment accusations vs actual, picture proven sexual harassment? Hillary didn't even actualy comment on the Wiener issue, at least not recently, AFAIK.

All around the world, the news were all positive towards a Hillary win, but only the actual loud crazies took Hillary's campaign seriously. While she was hailed as a saint by the media (so much, in fact, it was almost cartoonish)

lol no? Have you even seen the media? The emails which are in reality a non-issue have gotten blown far out of proportion by the media.

Where, breitbart? Fox News? Hillary had the BBC, CNN, NYP, etc, all with her. Of course, those outlets did comment on the emails issue, because those things are actualy a bigger issue than the stuff that got thrown at Trump, because those got progressively more minized because the same accusations were just repeated over and over, rather than actualy expanded upon, and so became seen as mostly baseless, while the scandals involving Hillary just piled on.

pretty much nobody actualy took her seriously

except people did

Yep, but mostly just the people that were with her from the start. A lot of indecisives got alienated mid campaign, and nothing was done about it because Hillary's supporters were adamantly convinced that she'd win. A lot of center leaning liberals got attacked for not supporting her.

while Trump was seen as a guy that, despite getting beatdowns over and over by big media, always somehow seemed to come out on top, even when he didn't have full republican support.

well huh maybe that's just how you saw it

I guess the results point out I'm probably not the only person who did. But hey, who am I to question your religion :U

IE, the dems made everything so cartoonish and infantile that everyone just got fed up.

o rly

Quite rly.

Additionaly, the democratic party associated itself with stuff people are not entirely happy with (black lives matter, saying banning milo from twitter is ok, attacking more centre-leaning liberals like sam harris because he's not very fond of islam OR Hillary even though he admitted he'd probably vote for her, etc).

ya? black lives do matter and I won't vote for anybody who says otherwise

They certainly do matter, except not to Black Lives Matters, I guess, lel. Also it takes some serious gymnastics to consolidate groups like muslims and LGBT people, specially during the current times.

Also, here's a rather big reason Hillary's campaign failed so massively: when faced with all the scandals and accusations thrown against her, nothing much other than utter dismissal was done about it

hmm, maybe because there was no actual scandal, just a manufactured scandal?

When you're a presidential candidate, you gotta explain shit when it gets thrown at you, and the burden of proof isn't something that works super well in popularity contests. Trump was a buffon and just denied the stuff thrown at him, but he was smart enough to hide behind Hillary's very shady scandals. She was seen as the smartest and more reasonable of the two, so people expected an answer from her, and it simply didn't came. Then the wiener issue came up and she didn't bat an eye.

while at the same time a lot of shit got thrown at Trump, and Trump being Trump, took things at face value and counter attacked

lolwut, Trump brought that on himself, all the shit he says is barely noticed. If the media was fair then Trump would have had far more of his shit thrown back at him

Mayhap, but here's the thing, Hillary's scandals got seen as the worst evils, and her campaign wasn't able to change that scenario. Ignoring people that want answers tends to do that.

specially in the last debate, even when the media was pretty much ALL Hillary, to the point CNN literally cut off people on air when they wanted to talk about wikileaks stuff on Hillary.

context? link? anything?

Its essentialy a meme by now.

Do you really think people will look at that without as much batting an eye?
What happens to your image when 80% of the people defending your campaign on twitter consists of loud mouthed people who who surround themselves only by people who agree with them and attack anyone who doesnt?

well huh, maybe people like circlejerks, this is the case on both sides

Indeed, except Hillary's were considered politically correct circlejerks and more accepted in Twitter, facebook and reddit moderation, and people who questioned said ideas got banned almost arbitrarily, kinda like Milo. You don't have to like him, but his ban was pretty much on the face controversial, and while not related to her campaign, got seen as an example of censorship in favor of politically correctness, which, mind you, a whole lot of people on 'murica hate with a passion.

What happens when there's huge infighting and name calling because the more centre leaning liberals don't like hillary at all?

politics as usual

[/quote]

Politics as usual if you're a 15 year old boy, I guess. Life and people tend to be a bit more complex than cartoon network shows, I'm afraid.

Hell, Trump supporters would just get shut down, told to shut up and banned from discussions simply for not agreeing with the stablished idea in the media of Hillary being a saint.

no, they were told to shut up because they were being irrational idiots

Thanks for proving my point.

Hell, I watched this happening right here on this very topic, and even warned people that said behavior would come back to haunt them.

ah, so all of the problems can be blamed on us, noice

exactly how does "you are being irrational" become a bad thing in your mind, srsly

nenjin: who is revising wut?

Having different opinions =/= irrationality. Lets see how many more humiliating defeats it takes for the dems to realize this, but hey, its regressive left season.

[Leafsnail]

Trump broke precedents, it;s time the DNC did the same and worked on an openly socialist election plan.

This isn't what will happen and Trump is going to spend the next 4 years dismantling social programs and appointing justices who will do the same.

I am sure there will be multiple tries to assasinate him. Dude is a huge walking target, and while he survived a few attempts already, the CIA whoever needs to get lucky once.
I bet that if it would happen it would be blamed on IS or something to make America angry. Apart from the inside job memes, it wouldnt be the only sketchy thing in yer history.

It's basically always the anti-racist people who are killed so I doubt it.

[Frumple]

I mean, I detest the man, but he did hit on an excellent strategy. Whether he did it by skill is another matter, but... it's not a pure dice throw that elected him.

He's at least a decent con man, sure, and a lot of our population wanted to be conned. Doesn't take much skill for that, just the right kind of persistent immorality. Mostly a matter of trying it first. There's a few (dozen) thousand people working the fraud market that probably would have done as well or better.

Word is he has immunity from virtually everything now that he's president. You'd have to impeach him first for anything short of murder to be brought against him.

Amusingly enough, precedent set against Bill holds that any lawsuits or criminal investigations started before inauguration/election cannot be stopped nor pardoned. The few dozen he has running aren't going to stop without something blatantly illegal happening.

Though yeah, when you've elected a VP that openly stated he wanted to fund torture of a minority group, you're not exactly one people anymore.

[Innsmothe]

I mean, I detest the man, but he did hit on an excellent strategy. Whether he did it by skill is another matter, but... it's not a pure dice throw that elected him.

He channeled populist anger towards Obama. The only strategizing he did was separate himself from the Republican party so he was an "outsider" instead of an "insider." And that got people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Romney to turn out in droves.

It really speaks of how out of touch some one is when they thumb their noses at them and dismissively disregards their lives and opinions based of a (arguably misplaced) sense of superiority.

You voted for a no-substance candidate who is vulgar, inarticulate, mistrusted by the rest of the world, flip flopped more than any candidate in my living memory and has only his business experience as a rationale for running. What, exactly, should I be waiting for to express a sense of disapproval?

They are Americans, we are one people. Lets act like it.

Uh huh. Amazing how this profound sense of unity comes out after your team wins. Fuck knows its wasn't present earlier.

Gurentee if you or I were born into the same possision we couldn't turn it into billions

So your argument is because you don't know better, just trust him? Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I voted to spite the DNC. And Trump won, you cannot argue with results.
Blame the Democrats for being weak and centrist.

Trump broke precedents, it;s time the DNC did the same and worked on an openly socialist election plan.

This isn't what will happen and Trump is going to spend the next 4 years dismantling social programs and appointing justices who will do the same.

I am sure there will be multiple tries to assasinate him. Dude is a huge walking target, and while he survived a few attempts already, the CIA whoever needs to get lucky once.
I bet that if it would happen it would be blamed on IS or something to make America angry. Apart from the inside job memes, it wouldnt be the only sketchy thing in yer history.

It's basically always the anti-racist people who are killed so I doubt it.

And this is why they will fail, and fail, and fail.
Hillary out spent nations, and still lost, we didn't want her duplicity or her corporate message.

[nenjin]

Gurentee if you or I were born into the same possision we couldn't turn it into billions

So your argument is because you don't know better, just trust him? Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I should just trust you and Hillary then right?

I don't give a shit if you trust me. I wasn't running for president. But I at least expected conservatives to exercise the same judgment they'd apply when a used car salesmen is trying to sell them an overpriced piece of shit saying "it'll be great." Hilary wasn't perfect by any extent of the imagination. But the unwillingness to let her win elected a charlatan.

I voted to spite the DNC.

Well then enjoy the mess you helped create. I'm sure when the founding fathers wrote about an informed electorate, this is exactly what they had in mind.

[Neonivek]

Anyhow remember that 60+% of Conservatives oppose Gay Marriage

By all means it is within his right to ban it again.

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Honestly I think everyone should INTENTIONALLY remember this moment.

So when we see Trump mess up and people go "How could we have forseen?" we will go "No, it was all telegraphed"

And when Trump does extremely well and people go "How could we have forseen?" we will go "There you go you alarmist whinny babies"