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[smjjames]

Can we have someone make sure smirk isn't drinking ethylene glycol or straight up methanol?

Fair's fair, they're still technically ingestible!

Also, if anyone has an outside line to mainiac he might appreciate being in irc with us at the culmination. Worth a shot.

He could still be reading the forums for all we know.

[Kot]

Once this is behind us and the Republican party is fully locked into its death spiral, we can reform the Democrats into a party to be proud of. But for now, this is like the thing in your D&D campaign where Chaotic Good and Lawful Good need to team up with Lawful and True Neutral to stop the overwhelming forces of Neutral Evil.

Wait, what?
You're calling who exactly Chaotic Good and Lawful Good? Who the fuck is even Neutral in this case? The way it actually is it's basically Chaotic Neutral at best, with majority being Neutral/Lawful Evil with good amount of Chaotic Evil. Fuck, there are proably shades of Chaotic Stupid and Hitler Off-The-Fucking-Scale Evil in there. ^{_{But what do you expect from America anyways, right?}}

Allowing either one to win is a fucking loss to United States and depending on their actual foreign policy, loss to whole world so you fucked up already. Might as well write-in Vermin Supreme at this point, it would end up far better than either Clinton or Trump.

[smjjames]

GJ pttg, you've confused Kot with an attempt at a LOTR reference. lol

Though I'm not sure how Clinton would still be a lose for the US, from a Polish perspective. Better than Trump ignoring NATO if say, Poland, were to be invaded, right?

[Sergarr]

Clinton is Lawful Good, obviously. I mean, she has been helping children and women since she entered politics (Good), and she's also a lawyer (Lawful). Quality Paladin material, she is. Hell, she even took part in smiting Osama bin Laden, the iconic Chaotic Evil villain!

And Chaotic Good is... Sanders, definitely.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

D&D alignment barely functions for actual out-and-out high fantasy. Let's not get caught up trying to apply it to meatspace politics, of all things.

Besides, "morality" if it even does exist, changes to become mutually unrecognizable in its individual and political forms.

[Sergarr]

welp

I've tried

[Frumple]

Not even a stupid good one, considering her first inclination in conflict keeps being trying diplomacy checks. Better at it than most of our bloody politicians, too, which says a hell of a lot considering how many circumstance penalties she's been taking due to the country's population dumping sense motive.

[Kot]

Though I'm not sure how Clinton would still be a lose for the US, from a Polish perspective.

From a Polish perspective, what's the difference between them? Tell me, truly, is Trump promising less than Clinton? Like, apart from the visa-less travel which is proably not even going to happen anyway? There is no good option for Poland, or for Europe, for that matter. You could argue that Clinton is the lesser evil here, but when it comes to evil, lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same (git gut if you don't get the reference). At this point Trump might even be the better option since he is way more unpredictable, and that, looking at what appears to be forming up, might be better than Clinton logic.
Trump clearly doesn't give a shit about Poland, but really neither does Clinton. Both, in the end, proably want good relations with Russia, which is a fucking death sentence to Poland. After all, we're just a tiny fucking country that barely even is in Europe, and if Bill Clinton words are indicative of something, we apparently own America our "freedom" after Cold War.
And that we would totally love a leader like Putin. Trump is obvious so whatever.
Yeah, fuck off.

[sluissa]

Until after the campaign is over and the "big bad" is defeated, she reveals herself to be the mastermind and Trump was just bait all along to get you weakened and trapped within her dungeon. Your paladin was an undead lich all along and now you stand no chance.

[smjjames]

@Kot: Not like we'd take away your precious Winged Hussars.

[Kot]

Oh, you totally would. You'd trade them for Russian Cossacks.

[PTTG??]

So somehow Trump -- who has said he wants to back the USA out of NATO -- is equal to Hillary because Kot has truthy feelings.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Believe what you want, but a person who is unstable, vindictive, and worse than anything else incompetent as Trump places the whole world at risk when given control over the US Armed Forces. The dude has an explicit and open policy to encourage nuclear proliferation. Like, holy shit.

If you want to talk about Russia, Trump is the one for a punk motherfucker with a badge and a gun who at least openly admires Putin's SOP and at most might actually be an honest to god Russian interests plant.

[smjjames]

@Kot: I was making a 'Hillary gunna git your gunz!'* joke while messing with you at the same time. Though I can't tell if the Cossacks post meant you got that I was messing with you or not.

*Some people think Hillary is going to go on a gun grab campaign, to you know, grab peoples guns and abolish the second amendment. Those same people thought the same thing of Obama, and likely George Bush and Bill Clinton.

Believe what you want, but a person who is unstable, vindictive, and worse than anything else incompetent as Trump places the whole world at risk when given control over the US Armed Forces. The dude has an explicit and open policy to encourage nuclear proliferation. Like, holy shit.

At the same time though, he says nukes are the most dangerous thing in the world and wants to reduce them, so, it's impossible to tell what he truly believes atm and what is just pandering.

[Frumple]

... did something happen to the poland missile base? Not seeing any news it was canceled.