Won't lie, isp, now you've got me curious as to the last POTUS candidate that
did have anything approaching a position on legal immigrants. Clinton at least
mentions them, but the closest I've noticed to actual policy that would maybe directly effect them would be the promise to deal with the family visa backlog. Poking around also seems to suggest at least some of the waivers are intended to legal immigrants; there's mention of the using them to knock down fees potentially roadblocking folks taking the last steps, ferex. There's been some statements with maybe a bit more kick than what you've noticed made specifically when stumping for immigrant heavy/minority areas/groups, apparently.
You misspoke. You meant "treating everything your opponent says as a lie". If someone treated everything as a lie, they wouldn't accept any claim.
Bork, you may not have paid much attention to this election. I didn't misspeak. Claims get accepted by the folks being spoken of, but by and large not on basis of whether it's a lie or not. That said, probably could have spoken better, yeah. Currently too much of a headache to manage much, and I'll probably not really remember the issue come tomorrow.
Not sure what the strikethrough was for, though. Attempt at sarcasm formatting?
Yeah, I can. Promise not 100% met is not a lie. Failure on one front is not failure on all.
True. But reversal is something worse than failure. And I think it should be understandable that someone would be especially soured, if that reversal is on an issue that's especially important to them.
Sure. But what we were just talking about was not "souring", it was taking one aspect and throwing every bloody thing else out with it. The transparency you just mentioned is actually an example of it. Obama definitely screwed the pooch on transparency in a lot of areas. There's
also a number of areas where there were damn substantial
gains. A straight up reversal it
wasn't. What's not understandable is treating it as such. A failure on the net, maybe. Less than promised,
definitely. But a reversal? A straight up full 180 let's make everything more opaque, or even something approaching it? No. Goddamnit all, it's not what has fucking
happened, for all the gigantic bullshit that
has.
... and I've gotten too out of it to remember where I was going with that, so bleh. But, like. You, SG? You seem to walk the line fairly well, from what I've seen you say. Lotta' shit happens, there's a lot of reasons to withhold a degree of credulity, but you mostly seem to be able to keep yourself from tossing it
all out without incredibly goddamn solid reason, and seem to have the sense to keep that sort of thing fairly narrowly focused when you do. Can you say with a straight face very many others do? That the sort of distrust we're talking about doesn't very, very easily translate into guzzling down whatever bullshit is plated in the right colors and patterns? Because if there's bloody
anything this election has shown us it's that there's a hell of a lot of people that do exactly that.
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