Ahaha yes
Also, Sergarr and MSH, I have no idea what the argument even is anymore. I have a suspicion that nobody does.
Well I have an idea.
He thinks that Hillary is not going to do the things he wants her to do because she'll ignore the intelligent people's pressure and abandon caring about the long-term consequences for the sake of populist/corporatist decisions during her entire rule, because they get her more popularity/power in the short term.
I think that she is going to do at least some of the things he wants her to do, as long as these intelligent people put up smart pressure on her. And by "smart" I mean "not right before the election with chances of Donald Fucking Trump being made the next POTUS, increasing said chances". That's just fucking nuts.
This is the thing though, what's being picked up on is bullshit and often part of a desire to destroy her. That's not the kind of criticism we need. It's "is she or is she not doing what she and the Democrats as a whole promised"? The very lack of that, and the attempts at stupid shit like the emails, itself only straighten everybody who would prefer criticism of Clinton be shut down as Trump supporters.
She's yet to be elected, she cannot be yet "doing what she promised" because she's not in any position to start doing anything! And by the time she will be, there won't be any "Trump supporters" scare going on, because the media will move on from Trump to something else!
You appear to be seriously caught up in the moment. Again, remember. Republicans shut down the government. Almost defaulted the entire world's economy. Was a #1 story for months. No one even mentions it now. It was only three years.
Yes. She's a pragmatist and does whatever she thinks will do the best for her. If the public seems more important, she'll drop the corporations. If the corporations seem more important, she'll drop the public. This is part of the few hopes there are for the Clinton presidency, that she can be influenced in this way positively instead of destructively.
Okay.
A lot of Obama's early potential was harmed by "these fucking Dems only voted for him because he's black", trying to truncate a repeat of this would be a good thing.
How?
I don't believe what Clinton will do is set in stone yet, but yes, sufficient lack of publicly visible concern will lead to her not addressing climate change. She has so much more to gain by dealing with the big dogs that the public outcry or at least convincing evidence of ecological destruction needs to be as extreme as it really is.
It seems to me that even the "big dogs" are moving towards the ecological stuff nowadays, what with solar electricity generation booming exponentially and electrical cars becoming more and more common on the market...
I was more thinking back to that one post where you mentioned how you tried to learn about the perspective of Western posters and instead accidentally turned yourself against believing Russia was number one. It seemed a bit...overly bright towards the state of the West.
It seems overly bright because you haven't seen how
shitty it gets outside of it. Hell, Hillary gets called "the most corrupt" for stuff that would have been seen as "very honest" for a Russian politician. There's certainly quite a bit of culture shock for me here.
There will always be an argument for "later". I trust the collective body of climatologists. We're in a critical period, and if it is solved one day people will thank us now for having the wisdom to look ahead. More likely, I fear, the desire for the profits of the next quarter will lead us to denying it all the way into the shallow grave of the human race. Not much use for US hegemony then.
Your financial system is set up in a way that makes said "profits of the next quarter" automatically include quite a bit of the future profits, as well, so it's not such a big problem as you think. There's quite a lot of money working on the ecological stuff already, and it seems to be growing more with every year. You seem to be overly pessimistic to me.
It is I who should be overly pessimistic - after all, it's my potential future industry, nuclear power generation, that is going to get literally bankrupted by cheap solar electricity driving prices down below the lower profitability bound within a decade or two! I'm not even fully graduated yet, and I already have to think about a change of field!
I'm more concerned that there are Republicans talking about denying any and all judicial appointments, SCOTUS or otherwise, while she's president. The impeachment stuff is just blustering until there's something solid, especially with the failed action against Bill.
Well, I was talking any obstruction in general, really. She needs to be very careful, because she is going to be the most unpopular POTUS in recent history, with media hounds sniffing for any trace of the silver bullet during her entire term or two. It would do good for her to first prove that she's not going to be the devil that will instantly break the country upon inauguration - there certainly are a lot of people who believe that, too, and not just among Trump's crowd!
Author
Topic: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0 (Read 1421303 times)