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[Rolan7]

Aside from Nixon, yeah, they were using the impeachment proccess for political gain.

Jackson had it coming.

Bastard.

Nah see it was *Johnson* who was-  Wait, you probably know that...
Ah, yep they were trying to impeach Jackson too.  And for good reason.

[Max™]

Honestly, until they said the "Live from New York" bit I wasn't sure if it was just clips from the debate.

Ooh, ooh, I got bingo!

maniac confirmed for SNL intern

I knew it!

[smjjames]

Aside from Nixon, yeah, they were using the impeachment proccess for political gain.

Jackson had it coming.

Bastard.

Nah see it was *Johnson* who was-  Wait, you probably know that...
Ah, yep they were trying to impeach Jackson too.  And for good reason.

Not sure what you're referring to. Can't find it, at least not yet.

[mainiac]

I think he means that Johnson was a friend of Ted Cruz's father.

[Rolan7]

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/senate-hears-impeachment-charges-against-andrew-johnson

I thought Mainiac was confusing President Andrew Johnson for President Andrew Jackson, but turns out they were both in danger of impeachment.  Johnson actually was impeached, while Jackson managed to avoid it.

Edit:  Actually no Mainiac figured it out

[RedKing]

Honestly, until they said the "Live from New York" bit I wasn't sure if it was just clips from the debate.

Ooh, ooh, I got bingo!

"Would you rather elect the Republican or Donald Trump?"
Yeah, pretty much my quandary.

And just to reiterate, *I* was the one who got bingo that night. Hills teed it up with that out-of-nowhere namedrop of Alicia Machado, and then Trump slammed home the match point with ISIS. Probably the only bipartisan success in the last 8 years.

[mainiac]

One of them tax hiking, pro-choice anti-gun republicans.  Sure yeah, I'd vote for that over trump.

[RedKing]

Or a pro-corporate Democrat, which is the same thing as a left-leaning/"moderate" Republican in my book.

EDIT: That said, I have seen some rumblings that she may be serious about Wall Street reform and antitrust regulation. If I see real action on that front, I'll swallow my words and give her due praise for it.

[mainiac]

You meet very different republicans then I do.

[Neonivek]

Why do the disenfranchised SEEM to like the Republicans?

Then again it might have to do with the fact that

"People do not vote purely for their own interests but that of the country."

[mainiac]

Why do the disenfranchised SEEM to like the Republicans?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/exit-polls

scroll down to "income"

[Neonivek]

Not sure that election is the best representative given how the election was run.

Though thanks...

[mainiac]

Not sure that election is the best representative given how the election was run.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2000/

[Neonivek]

Well that certainly is counter intuitive... yet encouraging.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I think the rural population plays a huge (but by far not exclusive) role in it. The Republicans aren't exactly the true defenders of the countryside lifestyle, but they're closer than the Dems, so they win (that pattern shows up for a lot of groups).

If you think the industrial crash and automation boom are bad for city dwellers, you don't know the half of it. You can just drive through some of these towns and feel the weight of despair. A new model is required, unfortunately, I don't think it will be embraced until we have no choice. Incidentally, this is also what the major incongruence is with the Deep South and all these other hyper-conservative places having strong socialist movements before later turning into what we know and fear today.

You can say racism, but people in these regions didn't exactly become not racist and then just shrugged and went back to it because Eugene Debs got arrested. Not the root cause. This kind of economic black hole fosters surpremacism, both in America and all over the world, because surpremacism is free.

If the Dems were able to embrace a radical economic shift for the benefit of...well everybody, but actually including the rural population, I think we'd see a sharper dropoff in their base than even Donald Trump could accomplish. The bread and butter of the GOP is not college-educated right-libertarian radicals who keep a copy of The Fountainhead in their glovebox and make 130k a year.