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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8385 on: October 23, 2016, 02:14:50 pm »

I think we may see a three-party state in the nearish future. The Democrats will move slightly right (probably giving up gun control) and take the bulk of Republican voters. Liberals will migrate out into either a Green Party that figures out how to organize, or a new party altogether. The Republican Remnants will whither into the core of a new religio-reactivist party. Only the new moderate party will be substantially economically neoconservative, the left being socialist and the far right not having a coherent economic policy beyond "Be a Captain Planet villain."

And Obama can retract his nomination at any time. As soon as the votes are in and the Republicans realize it's a lost cause and try to get Garland, Obama can drop the compromise and say "No, you guys get what you asked for. Clinton gets to nominate whoever she likes. GTG, I'm getting sized for robes."
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8386 on: October 23, 2016, 02:16:44 pm »


I'm pretty sure McConnell is trying his hardest to stay out of the news until this whole Trump thing blows over. He's been in the senate for decades; he's good at waiting.
That's the thing though, I don't think he can stay out of it at this point. Exempting the previous scenario of Garland's nomination, he's gonna take the heat no matter what happens. He saves a lot of face if he can at least spin it as saving the seat from Crooked Hillary's stolen presidency.
If the brinkmanship goes wrong enough for them, would Clinton give them their original 'worst, but not terrible, choice' or just push through a worserer one?

The game theory does mean that she should retaliate if she wins.  But if there was a promise to Garland the game theory is different because rewarding your friends is generally more important then punishing your enemies.
But does that apply? Obama made the promise, not Clinton. She wasn't even a part of the administration when this happened. While Garland will certainly be grateful, I don't think that gratitude is likely to shift him from Constitutional moderate to Constitutional liberal.

As you can probably tell, I strongly approve of Garland. But he's not quite the image of a Dem nominee when they have control.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8387 on: October 23, 2016, 02:17:42 pm »

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Although it has been a part of the dark underbelly of the Internet since its inception, recent events have brought the discussion board site 4chan to the forefront of the world’s collective mind. In particular, /pol/, 4chan’s “Politically Incorrect” board has become a central figure in the outlandish 2016 Presidential election. Even though 4chan has long been viewed as the “final boss of the Internet,” it remains relatively unstudied in the academic literature.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8388 on: October 23, 2016, 02:18:18 pm »

I think we may see a three-party state in the nearish future. The Democrats will move slightly right (probably giving up gun control) and take the bulk of Republican voters. Liberals will migrate out into either a Green Party that figures out how to organize, or a new party altogether. The Republican Remnants will whither into the core of a new religio-reactivist party. Only the new moderate party will be substantially economically neoconservative, the left being socialist and the far right not having a coherent economic policy beyond "Be a Captain Planet villain."

And Obama can retract his nomination at any time. As soon as the votes are in and the Republicans realize it's a lost cause and try to get Garland, Obama can drop the compromise and say "No, you guys get what you asked for. Clinton gets to nominate whoever she likes. GTG, I'm getting sized for robes."
Three party can't work with our system, it's going to get marginalized due to FPTP math.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8389 on: October 23, 2016, 02:20:44 pm »

First of all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

Second of all, the Green Party is a horrible caricature that represents every horrible thing people say about political parties.  A single democratic Senator going it alone (such as Bernie Sanders for instance) could build up a better political party then the Green party in like a year.

But does that apply? Obama made the promise, not Clinton.

If it's a lame duck appointment it does.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8390 on: October 23, 2016, 02:22:01 pm »

I think we may see a three-party state in the nearish future. The Democrats will move slightly right (probably giving up gun control) and take the bulk of Republican voters. Liberals will migrate out into either a Green Party that figures out how to organize, or a new party altogether. The Republican Remnants will whither into the core of a new religio-reactivist party. Only the new moderate party will be substantially economically neoconservative, the left being socialist and the far right not having a coherent economic policy beyond "Be a Captain Planet villain."

And Obama can retract his nomination at any time. As soon as the votes are in and the Republicans realize it's a lost cause and try to get Garland, Obama can drop the compromise and say "No, you guys get what you asked for. Clinton gets to nominate whoever she likes. GTG, I'm getting sized for robes."
Three party can't work with our system, it's going to get marginalized due to FPTP math.

Well, not necessarily- there are plenty of examples of three-party FPTP, like Canada or Britain before 2015. However, stable three-party FPTP systems tend to have a strongly regional party, like the SNP or Bloc Québécois, as power broker. A GOP split might produce that, but I don't get the sense that Tea Partiers and establishment GOPers cut cleanly across regional lines.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8391 on: October 23, 2016, 02:22:20 pm »

Honestly multiple party systems usually end up failing one way or another.

The Canadian system for example is typically: Conservatives versus Everyone else

A third party would typically only serve to split the vote of one of the existing parties.
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« Reply #8392 on: October 23, 2016, 02:29:01 pm »

Honestly multiple party systems usually end up failing one way or another.

The Canadian system for example is typically: Conservatives versus Everyone else

A third party would typically only serve to split the vote of one of the existing parties.

Political systems pretty reliably end up failing one way or another.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8393 on: October 23, 2016, 02:30:26 pm »

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8394 on: October 23, 2016, 02:30:57 pm »

Honestly multiple party systems usually end up failing one way or another.

The Canadian system for example is typically: Conservatives versus Everyone else

A third party would typically only serve to split the vote of one of the existing parties.
Exactly, either the two smaller parties end up losing to the bigger one, or they join forces and voltron into a new awful form.
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« Reply #8395 on: October 23, 2016, 02:35:06 pm »

Honestly multiple party systems usually end up failing one way or another.

The Canadian system for example is typically: Conservatives versus Everyone else

A third party would typically only serve to split the vote of one of the existing parties.
Exactly, either the two smaller parties end up losing to the bigger one, or they join forces and voltron into a new awful form.

Ohh they will resist though... Because people HATE coalitions.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8396 on: October 23, 2016, 02:38:01 pm »

Ohh they will resist though... Because people HATE coalitions.

Most voters dont like protest voting on losing causes.  That is why we dont see a McMuffin type candidate most of the time.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8397 on: October 23, 2016, 02:41:08 pm »

Ohh they will resist though... Because people HATE coalitions.

Most voters dont like protest voting on losing causes.  That is why we dont see a McMuffin type candidate most of the time.

What will often happen is that... The two smaller parties will have an all out war where the hope is that they will make one party so unpopular that they will leave.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8398 on: October 23, 2016, 02:43:04 pm »

So like a party primary process except you spend many consecutive elections with both candidates losing?

Voters dont like their candidates losing.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8399 on: October 23, 2016, 02:45:36 pm »

It's no mystery. Example D tells us why, they have obtained the power beyond human imagining.

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