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[mainiac]

Sure that's what it should be, agreed.

Yet this scenario happens a lot:
"Y got accused of rape by X!"
"That's terrible!  What's the evidence?"
"You're accusing X of lying!  You're blaming the victim!"

Dramatized for the point.  But it just seems similar to:
"Y got accused of burning down X's building!"
"Maybe X burned down their own building to make Y look bad!!"

Heck the second example seems like a much clearer example.

Rape victims face social backlash. That is why there is why there is a whole thing. It isn't in a vacuum.

[Neonivek]

Rape victims face social backlash. That is why there is why there is a whole thing. It isn't in a vacuum.

As do the accused!

One of the many reasons why I support a media blackout bill.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

If you're personally connected with a rape victim, you should probably offer them your support and not be overly critical of their claims unless there's a clear reason to be (or you're their lawyer). The general public and the courts, however, are perfectly justified in examining claims of criminal behavior from a more objective position.

[Neonivek]

If you're personally connected with a rape victim, you should probably offer them your support and not be overly critical of their claims unless there's a clear reason to be (or you're their lawyer). The general public and the courts, however, are perfectly justified in examining claims of criminal behavior from a more objective position.

It is a pretty jerk thing to do for someone who cry to you about something someone did... and for you to lecture them about what they done that could have possibly brought it on them.

Well... Ok... I guess if you are trying to mediate for them.

It is a typical guy thing to try to fix a problem that someone is talking to you about. Which causes contention between the sexes as quite often the woman isn't seeking any sort of aid...
-And WHY OHH WHY this is considered sexist is beyond me... (not that believing this TENDS to be the case is sexist... But that a guy offering advice is being sexist towards women to vent on him)

[mainiac]

Rape victims face social backlash. That is why there is why there is a whole thing. It isn't in a vacuum.

As do the accused!

Shit shit, sherlock.  The thing is that rape is massively underreported in this country because a bunch of horrible people mistreat victims.  That's why it's a thing.

One of the many reasons why I support a media blackout bill.

That is like one case in ten thousand.

[Neonivek]

That is like one case in ten thousand.

A lot more common then you think...

The most common way is through misidentification.

Intentionally accusing an innocent person... Yeah is a lot more uncommon.

 

The thing is that rape is massively underreported in this country because a bunch of horrible people mistreat victims

The media blackout protects both parties. It isn't meant to protect only the accused.

[mainiac]

Media covering of rape cases is more common then I think?

[Rolan7]

If you're personally connected with a rape victim, you should probably offer them your support and not be overly critical of their claims unless there's a clear reason to be (or you're their lawyer). The general public and the courts, however, are perfectly justified in examining claims of criminal behavior from a more objective position.

This

Also I'm sorry, dammit, I really didn't want to open a can of worms.  Please, take it somewhere else like the gender thread I guess?  ):

[Neonivek]

Media covering of rape cases is more common then I think?

Huh, I think we are on two different pages. Nevermind then... This is a bit of an uncomfortable subject to want to rail back on it.

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I do though honestly believe the reason why SOME of the trump controversy is coming out now is specifically because it is the voting period.

Not that it is fabricated, possibly it was saved up.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Even though it's one in ten thousand, it is kind of a continuous harm. Now that memes rule the world it's not only public figures who stand a shot at being selected for media victimization, but any random on a slow news day or that had some notable element to it all. I don't think it would do any harm to only let private citizen cases be reported on after the fact, or require them to issue a story about the verdict if they run one about the trial, or something like that.

[mainiac]

I do though honestly believe the reason why SOME of the trump controversy is coming out now is specifically because it is the voting period.

Of course it's coming out in the voting period.  When you are running for president, people start looking for your skeletons that they might not have cared about before.

The women accusing Trump are now facing death threats to themselves and their families.  They aren't "saving up" by not volunteering for that treatment sooner.

[Frumple]

Has to do a fair bit with people actually caring about the guy for once. That, and the POTUS kinda' has a higher set of standards they're held to than some incompetent scumbag millionaire. As ninja'd, eh.

But yeah, there would have been material saved up. SOP for opposition-type research, and part of the reason you don't just infodump everything in one go, most of the time. If you use up everything you don't have something new to drop when people are starting to forget the last batch happened, or for if whoever you've got the material on tries to run again in a cycle or three.

[Neonivek]

I wonder when Trump will declare bankruptcy again...

I mean he is up for another.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I wonder when Trump will declare bankruptcy again...

I mean he is up for another.

THE AUDIT ISN'T DONE


HE CAN'T DECLARE BANKRUPTCY UNTIL THE AUDIT IS DONE

THE AUDIT

THE AUDI FUCKING IRS


AAUDDDI

[Rolan7]

Heehee

I do though honestly believe the reason why SOME of the trump controversy is coming out now is specifically because it is the voting period.

Of course it's coming out in the voting period.  When you are running for president, people start looking for your skeletons that they might not have cared about before.

Not to mention that he's relatively untested, because he hasn't been - no, he *isn't* a politician.  Ben Carson isn't either.  I think everyone else involved has practical experience, and the long-term vetting and attempted mud-digging that comes from being in office.

The women accusing Trump are now facing death threats to themselves and their families.  They aren't "saving up" by not volunteering for that treatment sooner.

That happens when you say literally anything that reaches national news...  They have a lot of powerful people protecting them, too.
It does mean a change in their lives, though.  Celebrity status and becoming targets.  Is it worth it?  If we had a trustworthy judicial system, they wouldn't have to take the chance just to expose his alleged crimes.