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[Frumple]

Just noticed this shit. I guess having another reason to tell pence to go fuck himself is a thing.

[smjjames]

Just noticed this shit. I guess having another reason to tell pence to go fuck himself is a thing.

That stinks to high heaven of illegality and corruption.

[mainiac]

It's the sort of thing where it sounds so extreme it's usually best to hold back our judgement for confirmation.  But if they are actually destroying 50,000 new registrations that is simply horrendous.

[Frumple]

It'll depend on if the registrations get out of police custody before the election, mostly, or at the least the effected are allowed to vote anyway. No accusations of destruction, yet, just temporary... relocation, I guess. Still all sorts of screwed up, and if it does disenfranchise those tens of thousands someone probably needs to be put in jail. Starting with pence, and working the way down.

E: Though it may be worth noting I've seen some indiana folks note that their (years old) registration has just up and disappeared between the primaries and now. If that's not just one off it may be more than new ones that are going missing. We got any folks from there that are intending to vote, you might want to double check to make sure something hasn't gone wrong with your paperwork.

[misko27]

You're thinking egotist.

Narcissists could give less of a shit what other people think; they love themselves just fine.

No like seriously please don't conflate the two. Humor me on this.

No please say more. As an... expert, let's say, on the issue of personality disorders, I'm highly curious to hear you explain your logic and where you got the info from. This isn't a loaded question, I'm genuinely curious. I've a lot of experience with them in person and some experience in the theory, but I'm much weaker on the theoretical aspect than the practice. Wouldn't a malignant narcissist, for example, count as someone who cares what others say? The ability to not care what people say is generally considered a result of being well-rounded, rather than a narcissism, so where does a narcissists turn into a more unhealthy form? And could you define egotist for me too? I've heard the term, but am unfamiliar.

[Frumple]

... and now trump has suggested pre-debate drug tests. I wonder what he's going to do if clinton calls him on it?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

As if this shit could get any weirder. Probably the Secret Service will intervene and falsify both results.

[mainiac]

... and now trump has suggested pre-debate drug tests. I wonder what he's going to do if clinton calls him on it?

Performance enhancing drugs are such a problem.

[MrRoboto75]

... and now trump has suggested pre-debate drug tests. I wonder what he's going to do if clinton calls him on it?

*sniff*

[Reelya]

Roplegeek, you clearly have never actually read any of the literature about narcissists.

Narcissists have very thin skin. They often had a childhood with extremely demanding parents, who criticized them a lot and held them to extreme standards. As a result, they seek positive affirmation and are irrationally adverse to even slight criticism. So they seek to always receive positive energy, no matter what. This can be either seeking sympathy (they tend to make shit up about how other people mistreated them) or self-aggrandizement (they make shit up about how awesome they are). And when they do something wrong, they make shit up to deflect blame or outright claim the problem doesn't exist. Basically they can't deal with criticism in any normal way, and it's these occasions where the cracks really show.

Either way, narcissists are extremely well-known for lying to make themselves look good, or to get praise or to get sympathy. It's the exact opposite of not caring what people thing. They will make themselves out to be pathetic victims, if it gets people to feed them positive energy. You couldn't come up with another group who cares more about what people think than narcissists do.

I've had a narcissist flatmate. It's extremely common among artists. This guy was older, and a huge name-dropper about famous Australian 20th century artists: he claimed he was friends with the two most famous ones. And what did he say about them? That both of them told him how amazing his art was. He also spun "woe is me" stories about how his previous flatmates were monsters who almost killed him. And any time anything went wrong in the house, he'd either blame someone else or blatantly claim the problem didn't exist, even though multiple people were looking at the problem while he's saying it. Narcissists are very short-term thinkers. They're all about the immediate energy that's being directed at them, and they won't act apologetic even for a second, even if it would mean less criticism later: they're all about shutting you up right now through lying.

[Rolepgeek]

You're thinking egotist.

Narcissists could give less of a shit what other people think; they love themselves just fine.

No like seriously please don't conflate the two. Humor me on this.

No please say more. As an... expert, let's say, on the issue of personality disorders, I'm highly curious to hear you explain your logic and where you got the info from. This isn't a loaded question, I'm genuinely curious. I've a lot of experience with them in person and some experience in the theory, but I'm much weaker on the theoretical aspect than the practice. Wouldn't a malignant narcissist, for example, count as someone who cares what others say? The ability to not care what people say is generally considered a result of being well-rounded, rather than a narcissism, so where does a narcissists turn into a more unhealthy form? And could you define egotist for me too? I've heard the term, but am unfamiliar.

A. I was on the path to being a narcissist, as in diagnosably so up until I found that out and made a conscious effort not to be a massive douche because I want to help people. So it might just be a personal thing, but I rather dislike being compared to Trump. That's why I say humor me.

B. Yes, a certain amount of narcissism is healthy. Self-interest is part of development, and I count myself lucky that I was narcissistic rather than depressive, as humility seems easier to learn than self-confidence.

C. So, from what I know, egotists are concerned with how people think of them and are sensitive to having their pride hurt. They are dependent on praise and admiration. Narcissists enjoy praise and admiration, obviously, but the difference is essentially pride vs. self-confidence. And mind you, it's a difference in technicalities, odds are they overlap quite frequently, and in practice both are typically douchebags. Narcissists don't care about other people, and don't really make an effort to build up relationships/their reputation, while egotists need attention and are often more manipulative. Both can be nearly sociopathic in their tendencies. Not a true expert on this, however.

@Reelya, would you say that narcissist and egotist are synonyms? Because as far as I know, they are not, even if they are very similar. From what I know, that's an egotist, not a narcissist. Ego versus Narcissus.

[Reelya]

There's no diagnosis for egotism in the DSM-IV as far as I know, it's covered under NPD.

People with narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by their persistent grandiosity, excessive need for admiration, and a disdain and lack of empathy for others. These individuals often display arrogance, a sense of superiority, and power-seeking behaviors. Narcissistic personality disorder is different from having a strong sense of self-confidence; people with NPD typically value themselves over others to the extent that they disregard the feelings and wishes of others and expect to be treated as superior regardless of their actual status or achievements. In addition, people with NPD may exhibit fragile egos, an inability to tolerate criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in an attempt to validate their own superiority.

I've heard that narcissists also don't process boundaries the same as other people. that's the difference between a sociopath and a narcissist (both can be lying manipulators). e.g. a sociopath will drink the last of your milk, fully knowing it's your milk and not giving a fuck. A narcissist hasn't factored who owns the milk into their thought-processes in the first place. "My stomach needs milk. There is milk. Therefore, milk goes into my stomach". The narcissist will tend to blow up and call you "petty" if you question them for using up all your milk (they're genuinely surprised that someone is upset: after all them drinking the milk is the natural order of things, and they're super-defensive about being criticized. After all it's just milk. of course, if you drank their milk, completely different situation), whereas a sociopath will laugh at you about being upset.

[Rolepgeek]

There's no diagnosis for egoism in the DSM-IV as far as I know, it's covered under NPD.

*shrug* Humor me, then.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Again, Trump fits histrionic personality disorder more than narcissistic personality disorder.

[Reelya]

Dat's sexist.

HPD affects four times as many women as men.

Well it's named after a part of the female genitalia, because the condition does actually disproportionately affect women, just as other mental disorders disproportionately affect men. There's actually a conspiracy theory about this, that the condition (originally called hysteria) was concocted to keep uppity women down. Another one which is gendered is Dissociative identity disorder. It's 9 times as likely to be diagnosed in women than men. The mirror-image of autism-spectrum disorders, which are 10-to-1 male-to-female. I'd argue that the reason these conditions came to be known as "hysteria" wasn't because of sexist doctors labelling uppity women, but they actually noted the real conditions which were prevalent in women, and gave them a gendered name because of that valid observation. Sure, their explanation was dumb (linking the uterus to mental disorders), but it was a "correlation is not causation" issue rather than doctors making shit up.

But it's incredibly "un-PC" for anyone to acknowledge that any mental disorders with a strong female bias actually exist. Which I'm pretty certain is actually a bad thing for female sufferers. It'd be like pretending autism isn't a thing in men.