Look at the way I reacted when people objected to the idea that Jill Stein was not a respectable figure, I acknowledge that it was a unusual freaking idea and offered some unusual freaking evidence to provide it.
Umm... if you're referring to me a few pages back when we were doing the LoTR thing, then RedKing's not the only one guilty of exaggerating points. You were comparing parties to LoTR factions, not candidates. You labeled the Green Party as Saruman. There was hardly any objection raised to your personification of Jill Stein herself.
LOTR, 2016:
Democrats: Gondor, the land on the edge of the darkness, if it falls the earth is doomed
Bernicrats: Rohan, natural allies of Gondor but they dont bathe despite having all those idlyic rivers
Trumpeteers: Mordor, obviously
Republicans: Umbar, once a land of good it has joined the darkness
Green Party: Saruman, trying to help the forces of darkness in order to be on the winning team
European Union: Dwarves, good guys more or less but tend to ignore problems until a dragon is at their door (not to say that the Men of Middle Earth dont do the same, just with different problems)
Putin: Smaug, sitting on a pile of mineral wealth
Ukraine: Laketown, many parts of this haven't been destroyed by Smaug yet
I dont know who the Dunedain or the Elves are.
Considering every other comparison you made was directed at the party in general (except for Putin who you listed by name when comparing to Smaug), that's how I took this one, also.
So when I asked if Hillary was Denethor, you called it uncharitable. I said this was more charitable than calling the Green
Party "trying to help the forces of darkness in order to be on the winning team" (especially since Denethor wasn't really a bad character). You then went on to explain your "No, really, Jill Stein's insane" stuff, completely missing that what bothered me was your implication that anyone on the left that doesn't trust and vote for an establishment Democrat is "trying to help the forces of darkness." I mean, you can argue why you believe in your candidate or the importance of strategic voting all you want, and I'll grant you the validity of your perspective. But I told you that the way you deliver your message drives should-be allies away from your party, because your stuff reads like you're literally calling people who share your goals evil, if they don't also share your placement of trust or strategies.
The best thing the Democrats could possibly do to strengthen their party is to stop shaming and alienating people on the left who have doubts that the party represents them as much as it claims to. Democrats could run around screaming "You're all evil for not trusting us, and the apocalypse will be your fault!!", and that would summarize the experience of every election season for people on the left who are more like myself.
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