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[smjjames]

Anonymous declared war upon the government on their YouTube channel yesterday.

Over what in particular?

[AbstractTraitorHero]

Just edited a link to the video in the post.

[smjjames]

Uh, did they get taken over by conspiracy nuts all of a sudden? 'working to end the constitution'? I agree with the government being influenced by lobbyists and corporation interests too much, but really, how is hacking the government gonna solve that?

[mainiac]

Uh, did they get taken over by conspiracy nuts all of a sudden?

They have had conspiracy nuts since near the begining.  It's always been a mix of hacktivists and nuts.

[AbstractTraitorHero]

Seems less like their saying hack the government and more saying rise in revolution and overthrow it.

[Culise]

Haven't looked in to the details but how exactly is this meant to work? If an American court rules the Saudi government needs to pay up & the Saudis decide an American court has no jurisdiction... ?

At a guess?  The court says "Saudis, pay up."  The Saudis say "hah, not a chance."  The courts say, "tough cookies, you don't get a choice" and orders confiscations of Saudi assets in US jurisdictions until either the sum total of damages are met or the Saudis run out of assets that US courts can reach.  The President shakes his head and says, "this is why I vetoed it" as counter-nationalizations of US assets in Saudi Arabia take place, while news comes from around the world about the latest waves of lawsuits in Guatemala, Grenada, Nicaragua, Cuba, Chile, Panama, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Russia, Afghanistan, Palestine, Indonesia, Mexico, Yemen, Turkey, the Philippines...

[smjjames]

So, Anonymous is on Trumps side? Though Trump is painfully obviously sold out to corporate interests, or at least interests of the 1%, which runs counter to Anonymous, but eh, can't get everybody to be rational.

[SalmonGod]

I'm pretty sure they've put out videos exactly like this before.  It's not even worth noticing.  Anonymous is good at organizing a heckling aimed at a single limited-scope target, or the occasional leak.  But they also like to announce intentions far, far beyond that scope probably a few times a year, and then never actually do anything.

[AbstractTraitorHero]

I think they made a video against trump as well I know they made one on Hillary though haven't watched it yet....I just want America to have sense and vote a third party to victory.

I'm pretty sure they've put out videos exactly like this before.  It's not even worth noticing.  Anonymous is good at organizing a heckling aimed at a single limited-scope target, or the occasional leak.  But they also like to announce intentions far, far beyond that scope probably a few times a year, and then never actually do anything.

Ah I was not actually aware of that still I expect them to do at least something after making such a statement.

[smjjames]

Unfortunately neither of this year's third party hold more sense than the big two. Hell, they hold less.

Yeah, it would be great if there were an actual decent choice for third party.

Haven't looked in to the details but how exactly is this meant to work? If an American court rules the Saudi government needs to pay up & the Saudis decide an American court has no jurisdiction... ?

At a guess?  The court says "Saudis, pay up."  The Saudis say "hah, not a chance."  The courts say, "tough cookies, you don't get a choice" and orders confiscations of Saudi assets in US jurisdictions until either the sum total of damages are met or the Saudis run out of assets that US courts can reach.  The President shakes his head and says, "this is why I vetoed it" as counter-nationalizations of US assets in Saudi Arabia take place, while news comes from around the world about the latest waves of lawsuits in Guatemala, Grenada, Nicaragua, Cuba, Chile, Panama, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Russia, Afghanistan, Palestine, Indonesia, Mexico, Yemen, Turkey, the Philippines...

And ISIS? Would be strange yet funny if they went the litigation route.

Not sure what Mexico would sue over. Maybe Trump for defamation. Or maybe the failed drug war?

and don't forget much of South America which was pretty much our stomping grounds to do as we wished during the Cold War.

Also, I wonder if it would open an additional can of worms (or multiple at that) for other countries to sue other countries besides the US?

As I said earlier, isn't there supposed to be some sort of INTERNATIONAL* court which would take up those cases of grievance? Oh wait, there is, but it's as ineffective as the UN.

*I do know there is an international criminal court that tries warcriminals on warcrimes, but I'm not aware of a more general international court that handles stuff like reparations or stuff like what the 9/11 families want.

[AbstractTraitorHero]

How so Jill Stein seems fairly reasonable from what I've heard of her though I prefer Bernie personally though he is...not really in the race anymore...but Hillary amd trump....are just terrible their untrustworthy both of em have bad reputations and they well most of their policies seem to look out for their interests and not the American people's interests....They just don't seem....like they deserve to be presidents either one of em...if I'd have my way honestly Hilary would probably be in jail the dnc would be facing some definite scrutiny and made to make sure that kinda thing can't happen again....and trump....well damn....he honestly should not have gone this far....I would personally want Bernie to be the Democratic candidate at this point because he could crush trump and free college is something I am highly in favor of.

[smjjames]

As for Hillary "going to jail", on what charges? Every single criminal allegation that people have thrown her way has resulted in her being found of no (legal) wrong-doing.

Probably on.... wait for it... Trump'd up charges. That or 'Burn the witch!!!' type charges.

Sanders was basically just an opportunist though and managed to ride the same populist wave that Trump was riding.

[SalmonGod]

So apparently Paul 'Stonetear' Combetta was given immunity from prosecution for spoliation of evidence? Is there anybody left who doesn't have an immunity deal at this point?

People who film police brutality, or help pick up law enforcement slack on investigating rape cases.

[BFEL]

How so Jill Stein seems fairly reasonable from what I've heard of her though I prefer Bernie personally though he is...not really in the race anymore...but Hillary amd trump....are just terrible their untrustworthy both of em have bad reputations and they well most of their policies seem to look out for their interests and not the American people's interests....They just don't seem....like they deserve to be presidents either one of em...if I'd have my way honestly Hilary would probably be in jail the dnc would be facing some definite scrutiny and made to make sure that kinda thing can't happen again....and trump....well damn....he honestly should not have gone this far....I would personally want Bernie to be the Democratic candidate at this point because he could crush trump and free college is something I am highly in favor of.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, Jill Stein is literally insane on multiple issues, and Bernie might talk a good game, but he kinda showed he's just in it for the money he can skim from the poor fools who thought he stood a chance.

You didn't just comment about shitpost, you said that ALL information was tainted. Do you really think it's not a fact that DT is a climate change denier?

No he pretty thoroughly denied climate change.
Note: this is one thing even my mom noted he lied on. Which puts her one step above mainiac on the "how far up your chosen candidates backside are you" ladder.
And there's my queue that I'm just being salty and should probably go do something else for a month or so.

[AbstractTraitorHero]

Oh I was not actually informed of how far along Jill was with that... homeopathic medicine stuff you know....since the media pays little if no attention to the third party's.

Well mainly the whole dmc email scandal and and generally her kinda untrustworthyness would make me....not comfortable whatsoever to have her as president same for trump.

I've heard jack about this donation thing your talking about but I still believe that the dmc openly going agasint him and showing clear favoritism to Hilary and clearly trying to ignore Bernie was pretty wrong...I mean I'm pretty sure Bernie would have....much much better opinion in the polls then Hilary right about now I am interested to hear where you heard that though and what the most recent status and sources for said information is?